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« on: November 20, 2006, 03:39:08 PM » |
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Hello to those on this board... I've recently found this site and find it very interesting / enlightening. I have a question for you all... since most of you have seen this done the wrong way, what is the right way. I've been a consultant for 2 years - initally i signed up as a personal use consultant, but really like going to the meetings - mostly to get out of the house. I'm a mother of 4 and when i started i was working full time and didn't really have any hobbies to speak of. Since then the business i was working for closed and my DH and i decided to save daycare expense and for me to stay home - working my MK to suppliment our income. I only have one team member - she pretty much signed herself up. I don't hate MK, i don't Love MK (definitely not a  ). Just looking for some people with a variety of opinions that can give some input. I like my recruiter and am ok with my director - was actually thinking I might like to be one, but keep getting sidetracked. I've decided that i'd just like to have some customers and if there are some that would like to join, i won't push inventory on them. I certainly know what a mess that can be if you aren't going to hold the appointments. any input? 
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2006, 04:15:48 PM » |
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If there is a "right way" depends upon what outcome you are looking for. If you are set on making $10,000 a month, as a former Director, I just don't think there is a way to do it completely ethically. You can ethically make $50 a week taking orders, but then you run into a myriad of problems: will they wait while I collect enough to place a $200 order? - how much money am I losing in shipping charges (unless you live near a distribution center like I do)? - is the money I am making worth the effort I am putting forth to make that money? etc. Just my 
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2006, 04:31:49 PM » |
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I'm not set on making 10,000 a month - pretty sure i don't have the "drive" to do that. I'd just like to make 100 - 200 a week so we can buy groceries and clothe the kids! I have inventory, so that really isn't an issue - just thought i would see if anyone has any ideas as to how to gather just a small to medium size customer base that orders (sort of) regularly. thanks for the input  i appreciate it!
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2006, 04:48:23 PM » |
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Do you have any idea how many other Mary Kay ladies there are in your area? Your success really does depend on your ability to find customers, loyal customers. I know that in my church (of about 700 people, so maybe 350 ladies) there 4 IBCs (and I know of two more who are just Personal Use). That makes it pretty hard to find ladies who are interested in MK, but don't already have a consultant. I also know that on my little cul-de-sac of 8 houses, 3 of us have been MK Consultants. This is just my personal experience. Many times it seems success isn't just based on what you do, but the circumstances you are in.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2006, 05:21:01 PM » |
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I had a great customer base. I know I had one of the largest of all the consultants in my unit and from the responses of others when I talk to them, I take it that it is true.
I had over 250 customers. MK was still a losing proposition. Why?
1. You are ALWAYS ordering because you never have enough of an item or you don't have the item. Yes, I traded with other consultants, but it was still a problem. You have to have at least 10 of everything.
2. You really aren't making 50%. It's more like 20 if you're lucky. When you consider that you have to pay for PCP enrollment then you have to pay for the PCP gifts, samples, meetings, conferences, driving time....
3. There is a consultant on every corner competing with you for customers. There is a limited population of women who are potential customers. Just because MK tells you that they don't have a big share of the market so there are plenty of customers to be had doesn't make it so. A lot of them aren't interested in the first place.
4. You end up discounting the product and/or giving it away. The little sales gimmicks that directors come up with, like the travel bag set, cost YOU money and reduce your profit.
5. Impossible, in my opinion, to do anywhere NEAR the 3 classes they say you should every week. And if you did, you'd have no time for your family or anything else. Their earnings are all based on "for instances". They give you examples of how much you'd make IF you did such and such. Problem is it is difficult to impossible to do what they hold up as an example.
Those are just a few I can think of.
In THEORY, you COULD make 100-200 a week. But I'd bet a lot of that would have to go back into product because you wouldn't have a satisfactory inventory. It's impossible.
Now if the company WERE really great they would let you just order as you sold. In reality, although MK pounds it into your head that women want their stuff NOW, most women I met up with knew that if they were purchasing during a class or sale environment like MK that they would have to wait a week or two to get their stuff. And you know what? They didn't care. In fact, a lot of women like it--when they get their order it's like a surprise gift.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2006, 08:33:01 PM » |
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I've also heard a lot of stories of people being so disgusted by the rabid MK ladies that they've run into so far that they don't want to have anything to do with anyone new - whether you are laid back about it or not - just kind of avoid those people and go on my way. I guess at this point i haven't given too much stuff away for nothing - used bonus product or whatever. I've kind of ended up being the go to person when other consultants need something - trade or otherwise. turning over product, but so not making me any money! I don't have a problem with the classes - i'm home all day with the kids and my DH gets home fairly early in the afternoon, so we can see each other and all that  - now i'm just having an attitude problem with "bothering" people for classes. Not sure that i'm really bothering them - they can say no just as easily as i can. I have to give you a  for having 250 customers though, UYC - there must have been some reorders there. I have a few fairly good reorder customers, but not enough to keep things moving very fast. As for your question, Saved, there are quite a few consultants around here, but the majority of them are personal use. Some of the consultants that i've talked to are still getting good results with bookings here. I've decided that i'll hang on until Seminar and if it keeps going bad i'll look for a sitter and a regular job. I know my DH would love to see me stay home with the kids, but bills need to be paid and food on the table. Thank you all for the unbiased opinion! 
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2006, 09:34:44 PM » |
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My problem was definitely in finding a customer base! I don't know how on earth Laura J managed to find 250 loyal customers - that boggles my mind! I couldn't get anyone to return phone calls, hold appointments, or even reorder once they had purchased something!
So it really depends on your local situation. And where I lived, people definitely did NOT want to be "bothered" with hosting home parties. It's funny, because I was the same way before I got into MK! How ridiculous is that? I HATED home parties before, so why on earth did I suddenly think other people would want to host them for me?? I don't know - I was seriously delusional. But I guess I thought MK was different than all those "other" MLMs. LOL
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2006, 10:49:25 PM » |
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long story short, I had trouble getting a good customer base also! Did good at recruiting but, I got tired of people getting inventory because they were told to!! Not my thing!!
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 08:36:15 AM » |
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If you have a full time job -- many times your company will not let you sell on their premises. However, I was able to and had lots of customers. Now that I have changed jobs and have a management roll -- there is no way. Finding customers is very tough. When I started my business, I only kept enough inventory to support my customers -- so I never got into real debt ... but I never made any real money either. Therefore, my MK career is over and I shipped my products back.
Another thing to think about. When you run a business properly, you need to invest some of your profits back into it. So -- if you are really only making 20% after all of the overhead, etc. as the posts above reflect, how much are you really giving to your family after re-investing in your business?
Just some thoughts.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 08:51:44 AM » |
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i figured i'm bringing home about as much as when i worked full time - with daycare, meals out, GAS, and other extraneous expenses, i was only brining home about $75 a week anyway. i had two kids in day care full time and two part time and the oldest one was getting a bit long in the tooth for daycare, but not responsible enough to be home. Small town life doesn't give you any in between option for kids. I do like getting out of the house now for the classes/parties and I do really like the product. Thank you all for the heads up on the extra expenses of being a Director though. they sure don't tell you about that stuff up front!
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 12:20:25 PM » |
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The responses here have been great, so what I'm about to say probably won't add anything new...I believe there is no "right" way to do Mary Kay. In the end, this company is not about helping you with your goals, it's about keeping you afloat so the company can profit. I used to think there was a way to do it on the side to make some extra bucks, but now that I'm actually making some extra money doing other things, I realize that most of my energy was spent "In Search Of" those extra bucks and not putting it in my bank account. I especially agree with UYC's post, and that should speak volumes, because as a former director myself, I know for a fact that VERY FEW women have a customer base over 30 people. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2006, 12:42:39 PM » |
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Makes you wonder if all the Pampered Chef, PartyLite, etc, people have as much problem as MK - suppose they aren't looking for Loyal customers though. I couldn't imagine having to do cold parties ALL THE TIME! I'm not sure what else i would do for the extra income though. I'll just have to keep the freebies and extras to a bare minimum. I'm needing to stay home with the kids now since I have no sitter options but working at home just doesn't go well - too much HELP from the peanut gallery most days. they sure are loving the pictures on here - most of the time i can't see for the heads in the way of the monitor! 
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2006, 12:43:56 PM » |
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Not sure about the other companies you mention. I do know that with Pampered Chef you never carry an inventory -- you order as you get orders.
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2006, 12:54:59 PM » |
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There are many ways of making money that do not involve Mary Kay or putting your children in daycare. Especially if $75 a week is your requirement!
I have a friend who stocks and cleans a scrapbook store 2 evenings a week after they close 6:00 - 7:30 and then for about 4 hours on Sunday afternoons. Her kids play in the play area of the store while she works. She gets $10 an hour.
A woman who goes to church with me works 2 days a week, another woman works 2 different days a week and they watch each other's kids for free. (Does that make sense? I'm trying to say that Julie works Monday and Thursday while Tiffany keeps her kids and Julie keeps hers and Tiffany's kids on Tuesday and Friday while Tiffany works.)
Kohl's hires night time stockers. An ex-MKer I know works 10:00 - 1:00AM a few times a week when her kids are asleep and hubby is home (and she gets a 30% discount).
What did you do before kids? Can you capitalize on that? For example - I am a freelance writer - I work while 3-year-old DD is asleep or I catch 30 minutes here and there while she colors or has a friend over. Laptops let me write while I am with her. Some people can telework part-time from a prior occupation. A neighbor of mine takes one catering job each weekend and makes a couple hundred off of that. Be creative and you can make such extra money without the emotional and financial drain of Mary Kay!
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2006, 12:59:25 PM » |
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Have you thought about being one of those secret shoppers for customer service purposes. I think there was a post about it. You didn't have to work all the time -- you sort of picked and chose which ones you wanted to do in the evenings.
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