It's very simple, folks.

A consutant 'warm chattering' someone and handing out a business card, sample, and collecting a phone number is an uninvited solicitation.

A forum member handing out Pink Lighthouse cards is NOT soliciting, because she's not selling anything.  (Sure, we have a cool totebag you can get, but it's not why we're here.)  She is sharing information, that's it.  What the consultant does with it is up to her, and she certainly isn't collecting her phone number so she can call her repeatedly.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges.  They're both fruit, (they're both business cards...) but that's about where the similarities stop.  It's all about the behavior... the motivation for WHY you are giving someone a card.

Well, in my opinion it might just be easier to put the cards on everyone's windshield in the parking lot instead of passing them out  in the meeting. Because you might get booted before you get to everyone.

To someone in the pink, this will seem very rude. But then again, they might thank you for it later.

 

 Realisticpink, sorry darlin', but you are seeing things through 

Many of us were lead away from what the consultant agreement really said. We were repeatedly told that it meant that we could return anything in OUR 1st. year only.

So many of us were burned by our directors, recruiters etc. We believe that MKC is aware of the lies being told and choses to do NOTHING about them, because the really don't care why we are buying MK, just that we are!

Sorry, but I don't see how this is any different from going to the cosmetics section at Walmart and handing out MK cards or samples to people shopping there.

And maybe this is just me but I wouldn't consider it rude for someone to try to solicit me. I would definitely consider it annoying and perhaps pushy or desperate depending on the approach, but not rude.

Excellent point Julie!

Yes...I find it absolutely irritating to be shopping and have a MK person solicit me. They're also breaking the rules put up by the establishments.

Just the other day, I went grocery shopping and there was an organization handing out flyers to ask for support for a local food bank. That's the same as handing someone a PL card, as zaid described. They handed me the info. That's it!

You opened up the potential for endless lines of discussion by posting the ENTIRE back of the consultant agreement on this thread.
Once again, you fail to understand the subjectivity of the Golden Rule.
The point that UYC was making is that handing someone a card or flyer that is purely informing them of something is not the same as handing someone a card or flyer with the motivation to sell them something.  Clearly, a food bank and PLH aren't both feeding the hungry. (Philosophically PLH IS feeding the "hungry" minds of consultants who are seeking more information.)  Additionally, PLH and a food bank have a similar, non-profit goal.  Is MK non-profit? 
When you hand someone a card, are you doing them a favor?  I would argue that anyone 'in the pink' thinks that they ARE doing someone a favor by soliciting them.  That's a big difference between those in the fog, and those not.


Clearly, this forum does not require members to log in on a daily basis and check their threads.  I am sure Zaid will respond, if and when she sees fit.  But, I will remind you that the nature of a forum is that it is public and had you wanted this to be a private conversation between you and Zaid, it should have been conducted via PM.  You chose to respond publically, and the public is responding to you.

No, I would imagine that a consultant who tried to solicit people at a PLH event would be invited to sit and listen to the message.  Anyone who is lost enough to believe that they can re-recruit someone who is participating at a PLH event CLEARLY needs new direction.  Although, I am pretty sure there are some consultants out there who believe that they could sell a fridge to an eskimo!

The fact that some consultants and Directors do not adhere to the highest standards of honesty and integrity when recruiting and stating realistic income and expenses would seem to me to be a blatant violation of the Golden Rule.  The fact that the Company (MKC) knows this happens and does nothing more than print "cautionary statements" regarding recruiting information shows that they (MKC) themselves do not operate with honesty, integrity or follow the Golden Rule.  But they do state in the agreement that they are to be held harmless from damages and misrepresentations made.


When you purchase anything do you expect to be given full disclosure or expect to have to dig for the facts?  For me following the Golden Rule would be to have an open honest discussion with full disclosure.  It appears to me, that you have  on when discussing MK, but can take them off when the facts don't support your "pink fog" logic.

The biggest problem is that MK fails to allow any "negative" questions to be properly addressed in these events.  If Zaid hands out PLH cards, she is not even rudely pointing out the "Pink elephant" in the room, but shining the "light" on a place where people might find information about the "opportunity " directly from those who have been "burned" by it and then make up their own minds in the privacy of there homes in their PJ's if they like.

You got to it before I did, PPA.

This is one of the main reasons this site exists. So you can get all the other information and make a decision BEFORE you take the plunge.