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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2008, 05:36:22 PM » |
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Well here I am! First of all I don't think it's rude to go to an Mk event and hand out PLH cards, when you had a group of women come up to me and tell me how frustrated they felt that they were investing their time and money in this opportunity and it's not working for them. How they felt like their been used because even though they have inventory they were ask to purchase more in order that the director could make her numbers. They felt used because their director only call them to ask for them to order. But when they call their director she was nowhere to be found. I have a good friend that she it's still a director and she does work her business according to the Golden Rule and she respect how I feel about all this. We were once shopping at the mall and we ran up with another director and after she finished talking with us she said "See you, I have to go and find another sucker to recruit and to place a minimun order of $4,000.00" She assumed that I was another director because big girls hang out with big girls. And I wish someone had handed me a PLH card so I could have found this website before all the ordeal. My former director is been trying to be a NSD since 2001 and she's been having trouble because everytime her offsprings are falling out of the wagon and leaving MK all together. And believe me none of this women work with the Golden Rule. I am going to this event and handing out the cards to these women that have come up to me and any that come up and start complaining.  |
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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2008, 05:36:22 PM » |
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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2008, 09:21:09 PM » |
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Realisticpink, sorry darlin', but you are seeing things through  Many of us were lead away from what the consultant agreement really said. We were repeatedly told that it meant that we could return anything in OUR 1st. year only. So many of us were burned by our directors, recruiters etc. We believe that MKC is aware of the lies being told and choses to do NOTHING about them, because the really don't care why we are buying MK, just that we are! Not only that but I was told by my Director in the beginning that I could return product only for the first year for a 90% buy back but if I did I would be banned from ever signing up for MK again. I was not sure I wanted that so I didn't send my product back the first year. After that I did not know I could anymore. Also, my Director said if I did decide to sell back product to the company it would be better if I just had a big garage sale and sold them that way. Then after signing up I found out that the company frowned on garage sales or selling at swap meets etc.  |
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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2008, 09:03:57 AM » |
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Not only that but I was told by my Director in the beginning that I could return product only for the first year for a 90% buy back but if I did I would be banned from ever signing up for MK again Yep. Directors tell Consultants all the time that the buy back is only good for the first year. That's why having this info here is SO important. Gotta let people know that it's NOT just the first year, it's any past 12 months. I wish I had known that! |
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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2008, 11:09:45 AM » |
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We were TOLD to tell consultants they could only return product the first year. There were always ways the uplines justified lying, but they didn't consider it lying. Whatever. I wouldn't do it.
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« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2008, 05:43:09 PM » |
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Not only that but I was told by my Director in the beginning that I could return product only for the first year for a 90% buy back but if I did I would be banned from ever signing up for MK again Yep. Directors tell Consultants all the time that the buy back is only good for the first year. That's why having this info here is SO important. Gotta let people know that it's NOT just the first year, it's any past 12 months. I wish I had known that! This is exactly what I was referring to, and the Agreement doesn't make it clear enough to dispell the lies given by your upline. I was told this same thing, and never ever when frustrated w/ the huge inventory and lack of sales told that I could still send product back. They don't offer up that info; they make it really hard to find. BTW, some of what I said originally was just expanding the discussion on some of the points made, not trying to imply that I was responding to something you said, RealisticPink. Sorry for the confusion there. Offering info (esp. in Zaid's situation where these ladies are at their wits' end w/ the floportunity) and leaving it in the person's hands is totally different than offering an opportunity to be preyed upon financially. I think that about sums it up. |
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« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2008, 07:58:58 PM » |
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So all this discussion really only leaves one rhetorical question: What is so wrong with having more information? Why can't consultants come here read the information get there questions answered and make there own decisions? As a group I am certain that we have never told anyone to quit MK! We have always supported active consultants here....occasionally we have a difference of opinion, but no one verbally attacks active consultants (or anyone else for that matter) is mean or rude here! JMO! Everyone is welcome!  Good luck Zaid...have fun and enjoy yourself!   |
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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2008, 11:19:04 PM » |
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Thanks, Sassy! The event is on May 17, so I'll let you all know how it went.  |
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« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2008, 07:48:33 AM » |
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Interesting...It's been a while since I've thought of all this! I love the rhetorical question, and it brings me back to all the training that I received in recruiting to directorship*** Do any of you remember all the Bill Cantrell training? Do you remember hearing how you could learn to determine how much information you should give a potential recruit, and if they are a High "C" personality, they would want to read the back of the agreement, High "I" personality, just hand them the agreement and hold their hand and tell them how excited you are to have a new girlfriend... Now I know that die-hard defenders of MK will say that what one person or even a group of people says does not represent the legal interests (or even moral interests) of the company. But here's my question, because I know that someone out there will remember that training (I vividly remember hearing Pam Shaw train like that on one of her Red Jacket Tapes!)***and the question is, Why is there a reluctance to admit that part of the objective in recruiting is to find the quickest way to a "yes" with the least amount of information presented? Isn't that just what marketing is all about? I have never understood why so many Mary Kay consultants are reluctant to level with the primary objective of building a network business- reach more people, get more business...justification: it's a win-win for everyone. I guess when those who have been "reached" realize it's not a "win for them", that's when it's easy to proclaim a disclaimer... Not sure this is relevant to the discussion, but that's the place this led me!  Personally, I think it's just much easier to do something else than be in so much moral conflict! |
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2008, 01:27:36 PM » |
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Actually that is what sales is all about in general. Except, and I was in sales for many years, the objective should be a win-win situation in which the buy also gets something out of it. In this kind of sales the benefit to the buyer is shoved under the rug in favor of the immediate objectives of the seller, in this case the consultant or director trying to sign up some unsuspecting person who may not even have the personality for sales. I see it as disingenuous.
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2008, 06:01:22 PM » |
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Not sure this is relevant to the discussion, but that's the place this led me! Personally, I think it's just much easier to do something else than be in so much moral conflict! That's an interesting point, Free. I think it is because they try so hard to separate themselves from MLM and even go so far as to say "MK is not MLM." You can't talk about building a downline or network or whatever without sounding like one so I think they try to downplay that aspect as much as possible. Just my theory. I know I was disappointed that they didn't draw me circles a la Amway.  |
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