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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2008, 06:53:09 PM » |
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I just recalled when reading through the lawsuit from Mary Kay that once there was someone who attempted to hack into MKs email list. At one time there was an email sent to many consultants actig as if they wanted to buy a product and when/if you replied they could then get your email. I remember this because I replied to it by mistake. I was just wondering if it was this company or another similar one who tried to hack in. Otherwise, how did Touch of Pink get access to the email addresses of MK consultants? At the time they hacked in through the company's list.
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2008, 12:56:43 AM » |
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Just for arguement's sake, because I don't know all the details, Touch of Pink would not have to have consultant's emails to advertise their services. They have places like this, although they are not advertised here, they are on other websites. If they have paid for the google ads, then there's some more advertising. Now, like I said, I don't know all the details because I haven't read the big lawsuit thing, so I don't know Touch of Pink or how they operate. I don't think it would take doing anything shady like "hacking into MK's email lists" to advertise. Shoot, Mary Kay consultants' email addy's are right there for free, made public, on their MK Personal Websites. Under the "Contact Me" link. Don't know a currently active consultant? Just go to the main MK site and start typing in zip codes - it will give you many names and email addresses to work with. That being the case, I dont' think they'd have to do any hacking to get email addresses, if that's even how they advertised. Just a thought.
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2008, 08:24:37 AM » |
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Exactly RTP. Don't need to hack anything.
Touch of Pink's big problem is that they made themselves look like a main source for MK products. They blurred the line between them and the Company.
And this blurb on their website, which MK Inc cites in their lawsuit, also got them in deep doo doo:
"We are former Mary Kay consultants who have liquidated our inventory and are now helping others who, for one reason or another, have decided to end their Mary Kay business, or simply want to balance their current inventory. Being a former Sales Consultant, I know how that can dampen your revenue stream. We offer you an outlet to reduce your slow moving product. In return, you can balance your inventory and implement profit making strategies. "
The "rebalancing inventory" is the biggie. That's how MK Inc can claim that they are getting other Consultants to violate their agreement by selling to other than end users.
Then they threw in their purse charms and own line of mineral makeup.
Even though Touch of Pink clearly states that they aren't affiliated w/MK, they have clearly tried to make the pictures of the products closely resemble those on the MK site.
Haven't had time to read the entire complaint but will be and commenting on it on the main site.
TOP crossed over a few lines, in my opinion, which made them sue-able.
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2008, 03:31:28 PM » |
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Just for arguement's sake, because I don't know all the details, Touch of Pink would not have to have consultant's emails to advertise their services. They have places like this, although they are not advertised here, they are on other websites. If they have paid for the google ads, then there's some more advertising. Now, like I said, I don't know all the details because I haven't read the big lawsuit thing, so I don't know Touch of Pink or how they operate. I don't think it would take doing anything shady like "hacking into MK's email lists" to advertise. Shoot, Mary Kay consultants' email addy's are right there for free, made public, on their MK Personal Websites. Under the "Contact Me" link. Don't know a currently active consultant? Just go to the main MK site and start typing in zip codes - it will give you many names and email addresses to work with. That being the case, I dont' think they'd have to do any hacking to get email addresses, if that's even how they advertised. Just a thought.
It may not have been them who did the hacking but it came to mind for me when reading the complaint. In the lawsuit MKC specifically mentioned that they emailed active consultant lists in order to get them to sell product to TOP. So, that is what triggered off the memory of that happening. At the time I was wondering what these people had in mind who were hacking in, what they wanted with MK consultants email list. It could have been someone totally out of the business just looking for email addresses in general. I never did find out. However, on the company website if you click on a consultant page do they give the consultants actual email address? If someone clicks on your website doesn't the company send you an email to the email address they have for you which is different from the address of your web page? The customer was never able to email me directly unless I gave them my actual email address. Just wondering if they changed that?
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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2008, 03:40:12 PM » |
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Touch of Pink's big problem is that they made themselves look like a main source for MK products. They blurred the line between them and the Company.
And this blurb on their website, which MK Inc cites in their lawsuit, also got them in deep doo doo:
"We are former Mary Kay consultants who have liquidated our inventory and are now helping others who, for one reason or another, have decided to end their Mary Kay business, or simply want to balance their current inventory. Being a former Sales Consultant, I know how that can dampen your revenue stream. We offer you an outlet to reduce your slow moving product. In return, you can balance your inventory and implement profit making strategies. "
The "rebalancing inventory" is the biggie. That's how MK Inc can claim that they are getting other Consultants to violate their agreement by selling to other than end users.
Then they threw in their purse charms and own line of mineral makeup.
Even though Touch of Pink clearly states that they aren't affiliated w/MK, they have clearly tried to make the pictures of the products closely resemble those on the MK site.
Haven't had time to read the entire complaint but will be and commenting on it on the main site.
TOP crossed over a few lines, in my opinion, which made them sue-able.
I agree with you, UYC, that the blurb you have quoted from their website is a major problem. I did notice that when I went on their website and thought it was a red flag. Also, the products of their own that they are trying to sell. When I went on their website I actually thought the mineral makeup was MK. Although, they don't indicate they are MK they do not indicate otherwise either. You are right, they have crossed over a few lines and the company has enough to build some sort of case on. Whether they win or lose it can discourage others from doing the same which I am sure is one of their aims. In the process MKC may be able to find out which active consultants are selling to TOP. I do not think this will change the fact that people sell MK on eBay, however. I don't think the company can do anything about non consultants selling on eBay except discourage them with lawsuits like this one.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 08:12:00 AM » |
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When I went on their website I actually thought the mineral makeup was MK Yep. Me too. That's one of the things that got them in trouble.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 05:51:17 PM » |
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LJ - you are right about the company e-mailing you via the website. You're only address is a mk/??.com - not your real e-mail address
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 01:48:51 AM » |
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LJ - you are right about the company e-mailing you via the website. You're only address is a mk/??.com - not your real e-mail address
That is what I thought. I doubt the TOP people were emailing to to MK addresses so they had to have some way of getting the actual email addresses.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 11:36:06 AM » |
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That is what I thought. I doubt the TOP people were emailing to to MK addresses so they had to have some way of getting the actual email addresses. Is it possible that current IBC's and SD's were liquidating limited edition, discontinued and overstock items and as a result of their busines relationship with ToP they were sent emails soliciting certain products that were in demand? To sell your product to them, you have to send them a list of your products on one of their forms, I assume by email, so they would have your email for future reference. I have not liquidated any product yet, but have been asking different liquidators for info, how much they pay, etc. and I have of course received all the info by email as that is how I contacted them on their web sites.
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2008, 12:56:23 PM » |
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Yes, the consultant@marykay.com email addys were what I was referring to. Except it didn't dawn on me that MK might read someone else's email before forwarding it on. I didn't realize the emails sent out were specific advertising for ToP either - that is an interesting little tidbit. I'll have to go take a look at their site. If one can't tell which products are MK and which aren't on their site, I have to agree, they have gone into some gray legal area. Not very safe for covering one's own rear end. 
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 07:23:16 PM » |
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That is what I thought. I doubt the TOP people were emailing to to MK addresses so they had to have some way of getting the actual email addresses. Is it possible that current IBC's and SD's were liquidating limited edition, discontinued and overstock items and as a result of their busines relationship with ToP they were sent emails soliciting certain products that were in demand? To sell your product to them, you have to send them a list of your products on one of their forms, I assume by email, so they would have your email for future reference. I have not liquidated any product yet, but have been asking different liquidators for info, how much they pay, etc. and I have of course received all the info by email as that is how I contacted them on their web sites. I am sure that TOP got many email addresses of active consultants and SDs through doing business with them. However, the complaint states that they were sending out blanket emails to active consultants as part of their marketing campaign to get their inventory. That sounds to me like they are soliciting more than just the people they have already done business with.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2008, 08:52:46 AM » |
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Sheesh! TOP is SO overloaded on inventory, they should be spending time selling more than even thinking about buying more from Consultants.
I don't see how they will ever sell all of that.
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2008, 11:59:49 AM » |
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MK should just let TOP be it's own 'consultant' and cut out the middle-man. It would speed things up, don't you think? 
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2008, 01:17:35 PM » |
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No kidding! I just laughed when I saw inventory levels on some of those products.  Here they claim they help consultants "rebalance" their inventory. They could use someone to help rebalance theirs.
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2008, 04:19:16 PM » |
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No kidding! I just laughed when I saw inventory levels on some of those products.  Here they claim they help consultants "rebalance" their inventory. They could use someone to help rebalance theirs. The sad thing is, at that rate, they are probably not making a profit and now they are being sued to boot! Is sounds like she took her MK "hobby" to a much larger scale. 
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