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« on: July 23, 2006, 06:33:21 PM »

Post the most outrageous lies from your director in the comments. This should be fun. ;D

Let the games begin!
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2006, 06:38:07 PM »

My favorite was when she was trying to make $500,000 for last Seminar and she needed $30,000 more in 2 weeks. She offered Coach bags to anyone who ordered $1,200 or more. Like a fool, I did it.

The caveat was (because I told her I didn't need anything, since I was still sitting on $3,000 of it at home!) she would help us sell. She would come to an open house, that we would arrange, and help us sell the product. She would post ads in the paper (since I guess directors can do that?) and get lots ot people there to buy. When the time came, she did place the ad, but said for some reason it didn't end up running - hmmmm. She also didn't show to my open house, and neither did anyone else.

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2006, 07:58:24 PM »

My director didn't out and out lie - just was not entirely forthcoming.

When she first came to my house for a selling appt - I really needed a MOISTURIZER with sunscreen.  She sold me the day soln (I later heard her telling other people that it was not a moisturizer at all!).  After I joined, I found out that there was a Timewise moisturizer with sunscreen. 

So I was very disappointed that she did not tell me that when I was just a customer.

There were other things, but this is the type of stuff she would do.

Glad I'm out!

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2006, 08:11:21 PM »

My director was all about white lies and total avoidance of having to tell a "negative" truth...for example, one of her offspring directors suddenly seemed to drop off the face of the earth.  When we asked what happened she muttered something about her pursuing other interests and following her heart etc...anyway, then I see the former director waiting tables in a sports bar...like her lifelong dream was to be a shot girl?  Um, yeah, I'm thinking it's probably one of the 3 jobs she probably has to work to pay off all the debt!
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 02:02:51 PM »

Someone on PC's blog (Shabby maybe??) posted about the book The Sociopath Next Door I read it in one day and it explained so much about my director. I firmly believe she is totally without conscience.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2006, 02:34:06 PM »

My director lied as a way of life. A lot of it was exagerrated truths, like maybe one of the other directors got ONE new recruit in her unit, but she would tell me and the other directors in the area that this other director was ON FIRE and recruiting like crazy that month. She would also say people were doing things they were not, I guess to get you to be competitive.

She routinely offered prizes that she did not actually award if you earned them, or she would give a crappy compensation prize in lieu of the promised one - and you had to pry these out of her months later. When she would offer area-wide prizes, I ended up buying my own prizes for my consultants because they would get so mad that my Sr wouldn't give out what she said.

One of my favorites was the time she offered a Star Consultant shopping trip to Dallas for a weekend. We had to drive and consultants who worked a job obviously had to take off work on Friday. We had to pay for our own hotel rooms. There was supposed to be special shopping and time spent with her in Dallas. After a horrible trip down there, she left us at the hotel - she booked herself a room at a different hotel! The next morning, she stayed for a couple hours in the morning to a paltry training, and LEFT to go back home! She told us all to have fun shopping the rest of the weekend!!

She lied about directorship - told everyone if they didn't want to do classes they just needed to be a director. She lied about what it took. Lied to say everything would be okay if we just did x, y or z, and that she would help us later. Just lied, lied, lied. I could be here forever!
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2006, 04:11:02 PM »

Lies I hated:
 1 - the product sells itself
 2 - you can make an executive income
 3 - you only have to work a few hours a week
 4 - free training

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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2006, 04:32:41 PM »

My director mostly told me lies regarding the return policy so that i couldn't return my product in time before the one year cut off.  So she tricked me out of a big chunk of change.

Most of the other lies I heard came from my director via my recruiter - but the one that still pisses me off to this day is that f'ing "We're taught at Harvard" bullshit. I swear, it makes me angry to this day every time I see it on the latest recruiting flier online.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2006, 07:41:00 AM »

pink cad, that one always burns me too. I am a lover of education and when I heard that I was immediately drawn to MK. I didn't do enough research to find out the truth.

That's the worst part I think, there are so many lies at the outset that if people could step back and see through them, they would think twice before signing that agreement.

I remember hearing these things during my talk with my director before I signed:
1. We look for busy people. (Then they won't have time to ask too many questions.)
2. We look for people who don't know a lot of people. (Then there are fewer people to talk them out of this.)
3. We look for those that aren't the sales type. (Because if I only recruited people who can actually sell this stuff, I'd never made my production this to be a director.)
4. We look for people who have more month than money. (Because they probably also have a way to pay those extra bills (CC) that they can use for inventory.)
5. We look for a person who is family-oriented (Oh whatever! Then you are asked to leave your family behind while you gallivant on a pink cloud.)
6. We look for decision-makers. (Then you won't have to consult anyone else before you. . . sign right here.)


This list actually from a top director website about recruiting. I can see through the lies now, but couldn't before.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2006, 07:47:35 AM »

i found an article online from the Wall Street Journal that was written way back in 1995 - the title?

"NOT TAUGHT AT HARVARD: multi-level marketing"

They have been fighting these lies for so many years, and yet they persist. The article even said that if Harvard catches any MLM company using its name in their literature, they'll sue. Unfortunately, it's not the company doing it - it's the sales force. And as we all know, MLMs say they are not legally responsible for anything the sales forced does or says, because their "independent business owners".

What total crap. I wish I could reprint the article here, but you have to get premission first from WSJ or something...
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2006, 10:17:57 AM »

PC, what was the name of the article?  I am an online subscriber to WSJ and I can get it.  I did a search for various terms I thought would work, but I didn't come up with anything from present back to 1985.
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2006, 11:25:12 AM »

I already bought it, that's how I read it.  ;D The problem is that it says it can't be reprinted without permission, etc, so it's not something that we can just paste up on the websites. I emailed WSJ to ask about getting permission...we'll see.

It was written in 1995, I think the date was December 19. The author was Stephanie N Mheta. The funny part was when the author said that there are *some* MLMs with a good reputation, and goes on to cite Mary Kay and Amway as two examples! LOL! This article was written before that tell-all book about Amway came out, of course. If Mary Kay and Amway are the best the MLM industry can do, they must have a lot of total crap out there.

I found a bunch of other articles in the WSJ that involve Mary Kay, and they are not all complimentary, that's for sure.  :smiley
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2006, 10:12:02 PM »

My Director was LaMarr.  Enuf said.  smiley

She is very likeable and I don't hold any real ill feelings towards her, honestly.  She has the game down, period.  My disappointment is more geared towards my recruiter/friend.  I was there in the beginning and have seen her explode...
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 01:57:00 PM »

Just wandering about Amway. my brother sells amway which is now quixtar and he's always trying to get me to sell it.  I won't but he says he doesn't have a required amount he has to purchase each month.  I get my laundry detergent from him and it's great.  it gets out ink, coffee, just about anything! 

This article was written before that tell-all book about Amway came out, of course. If Mary Kay and Amway are the best the MLM industry can do, they must have a lot of total crap out there.

I found a bunch of other articles in the WSJ that involve Mary Kay, and they are not all complimentary, that's for sure.  :smiley
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2006, 04:27:30 PM »

Amway/Quixtar is in the dictionary next to the word "SCAM". And there are ALWAYS minimum purchases to maintain your distributorship - maybe not monthly, but it might be quarterly or yearly, etc. And the products are always overpriced compared to similar products in stores.

Didn't you hear about that expose' that Dateline did on Quixtar the year before last? I think you can still watch it online somewhere, but I can't remember the link!
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