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« on: December 17, 2007, 11:05:48 AM »

I started in MK in September. I listened to my director and placed an $1800 initial order. So far I have spent about 3000.00 on MK including postage, section 2, etc. I have sold about $1500 but I still am a total of $1986.65 in the hole. I didn't go into debt but I took money from our savings account at a time when we really couldn't spare it. I like selling MK. I do. And I have a customer base of 29 so far.. but I really regret that inital order. I see the point of having some inventory but I didn't need as much as I have. I'm very aware of the pink fog and am trying to tread very carefully.. I think things would have been fine except for that inital order.

I don't want to quit.. I just want to not be in such of a negative number.. it just makes me anxious to think about it.

I keep telling myself that I will sell it eventually and I hope that's true.
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 11:54:21 AM »

It may and it may not sell. But the biggest problem is that new items come out and then you will feel compelled to order those as well. Or you will run out of an item and have to place an order to get some things, but in order to get your 50% discount you have to order $400 retail.

A customer base of 29 won't get you out of debt. Problem is, a customer base of 100 or 200 won't either.

You are kidding yourself when you say that you didn't go into debt because you took it from savings. You haven't replaced that $1800 you removed from savings, have you? You have the debt, you just didn't borrow it from someone else. You borrowed from yourself.

It might be fun, but there are LOTS of fun hobbies out there. If you aren't making money, then it's an expensive hobby, as it is for most people in MK.

I would seriously consider sending back your inventory and getting your 90% back.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 12:37:50 PM »

You're right. I am just not paying credit card interest on my debt.

My problem is I do want to use it.. I like the idea of try before you buy and selling it to other people. I wonder how much more I have sold because I had the inventory on hand- I know a couple of times that made the difference.

I just wish I hadn't listened!!!
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2007, 01:32:01 PM »

Oh, sweetie...  I completely understand what you mean.  I finished with a customer base of 200 (and steadily growing), but I didn't pay myself profit hardly EVER!  This means that I purchased my inventory on family money and didn't pay myself back!  It makes me sick knowing what that money could do for my family.  I constantly felt guilty about it.  We have significant student loan debt, and that's why I decided to send the inventory back.  I couldn't justify the "tomorrow" attitude... "Tomorrow I will sell it.  Next week I will sell it at the parties.  I will get the money back."  When you sell it, you have to replace it!  That's how MK operates...  It's a vicious cycle.  Just when you think you're close, you have to dig deeper.  I would caution you.  I like to try things before I buy, too.  That's why I can go THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE who don't mind going into debt for their hobby.  If I were you, I would cut your losses and get out now.  Buy from a friend or your director (if you are amicable).  Just a thought.  I don't want to sour you, but hard to do when I bought into the dream for so long and then realized I was being snowballed.

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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 11:43:00 AM »

I like the idea of try before you buy 

I do too.  But if you personally, as a consultant, take a product and try it and don't like it, YOU CANNOT RETURN IT IN YOUR NAME.  If you do want to return it, you will have to use someone else's name on the return form.  And if you do too many returns in a given time period (I have no idea what this is) I've heard that they will "flag" your account and make it hard for you to return.  Someone else will have to fill us in on that.  I never did that many returns when I was in MK.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2007, 12:52:34 PM »

I didn't know that.

Of course my mother is my best customer so I could always use her name.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2007, 11:20:26 PM »

I found out that a customer base doesn't mean anything! Women are not loyal to any one product! Your customer base changes all the time, so just when you think you are ordering to cover those needs, you lose that customer! Or as UYC said, the products change!!!! I lost a lot of customers because of just that!

When I decided to get out of MK I had $7000.00 in MK and couldn't sell it!!!!!!! I was also and still am $10,000.00 in debt!  :cry:
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 09:20:01 AM »

Here's just a little different thoughts to consider.  I know exactly what you are talking about with not ever seeing any money because you keep putting it back into MK.  Either with orders or meetings, etc.  I found that when I stopped doing those things and just sold what I had already, I could actually start replacing the money that I had used from my family.

Like you, I had used money in savings for that initial order so I felt better that I hadn't taken out a 'loan' but in actuality, I should have thought of it that way.  It was a loan that I took from my family and I needed to pay it back.

Finally after reading here, I smartened up.  I started trading items I didn't sell for the things that I do sell.  And when I stopped ordering from the company, I actually started making money back because I keep it all now and use it for my family.  I still sell to my customer base and slowly but surely, I am reducing my inventory. 

It is frustrating that you lose customers along the way so I know I can't do it forever but for the time being, it works for me.  It's not an overnight solution and you might want to consider sending back your products if you don't want to risk it or can't wait anymore.  Noone can guarentee that you will sell it all if you keep it.  So only you can make that decision of what feels right for you.  I've just figured out whats working for me, for the time being.
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2008, 02:48:58 PM »

I also always thought it was very unfair that a consultant could not return a product that they bought to use personally. If some people sign up to be personal users then why shouldn't they be able to return an item they don't like?

I agree that MK is a vicious cycle, a vortex that you get caught up in. The longer you stay in the more money you will spend. When you have to place a minimum order just to get the few items you need the inventory just keeps growing and you just get in deeper and deeper. And like others have said they are changing the products so often these days that you are in danger of ending up with obsolete products. Then there is the temptation to buy/have the new products and you get them too, and on and on it goes!
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2008, 04:35:18 PM »

The title "Personal Use Consultant" is made up, and not an official MK term as far as I am aware.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2008, 05:42:31 PM »

Smartinpink, I know it's been awhile since your original post in this thread... what are you doing now?

I have to agree w/ what others here have said.  Not only are women not loyal to just 1 brand, they are not loyal to just 1 consultant.  Think about it in your 'pre-MK' mind frame.  Consultant A gets you to try free samples & buy some things that you liked.  Time passes, you're running low on those, but you're wondering if there's something cheaper out there.  Then, consultant B approaches you with a massive blowout sale!!  Of course buying from Cons. B makes sense, to the regular unpinked mind.  That's just one example!  There are so many ways this could happen, too.  Esp. if the next consultant who comes along is pushy towards "your" customer.

I did as many returns as possible during the last month of my MK encounter and I found this out: If you put more than $50 or $55 under the same name for a return they will do some or all of these: email you telling you to call in, call that customer to see if it's real or bogus, call you to see if it's real or bogus.  If you try to return more than a certain amount total during one month, at some point (I've forgotten the dollar amount but someone could call MK and ask) they send you the email telling you to call in and they tell you you're over the monthly limit and that they're "watching you". 
I too never went into debt over it but took from family savings.  I too started w/ a "sapphire" order, and ordered again before the quarter was up, bumping me up to emerald (this was before they added pearl to the star levels).  I thought b/c new stuff came out I had to have it, b/c my SD was saying "it's limited edition, you don't want to get orders that you can't fill, this stuff flies off the shelves!".  Ya right.  That's why in 2007 I still had loads of crap from Christmas 2004.  It flew off my shelves alright, right into a box that I sent back to MK Inc!
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2008, 08:31:57 PM »

Smartinpink, I once had a customer make a return of an old product she had bought from someone else. I took it back and returned it to the customer. They flagged it but did not notify me so a month went by and I had not got anything back in the mail so I called. Then they told me they would honor it but it was flagged because it was an older product. I explained it was returned to me but the customer bought it from someone else. From what I understand they will no longer take returns now that have not come from one of your own customers, specifically for this reason.
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 07:23:45 AM »

Smartinpink, I once had a customer make a return of an old product she had bought from someone else. I took it back and returned it to the customer. They flagged it but did not notify me so a month went by and I had not got anything back in the mail so I called. Then they told me they would honor it but it was flagged because it was an older product. I explained it was returned to me but the customer bought it from someone else. From what I understand they will no longer take returns now that have not come from one of your own customers, specifically for this reason.
I had the exact same experience.  I had a new customer who didn't have a consultant anymore, but had an old bottle of something from the classic basic line that she was not pleased with.  So I took an exchange, and submitted it on InTouch, and they 'flagged' it because of the old number.

My question is, what is a customer to do when they aren't satisfied with an older product?  The guarantee does not specify a time limit.
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 08:48:53 PM »

PPA -

They are supposed to contact MKC now.  There is a 800 number (somewhere) that they can call but unless you sell the product yourself, you are not "allowed" to honor the 100% guarantee.

At least that was on an e-mail I got.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 08:55:35 PM »

Well THAT'S not good customer service!  But then, it's MK we're talking about...
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