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« on: July 04, 2006, 03:58:35 PM »

Did you just not work hard enough? Or is it the MK structure that failed?

So often we hear that we just didn't work our business and it's our fault that we ordered all that inventory.

And what, then, if we move on and are successful in another business?
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2006, 04:45:39 PM »

I think the system is just flawed. Money is made, plain and simple by the company through all of the orders and by those at the top who have recruited everyone at the bottom.

You can work your butt off, but if you are in a saturated area tough luck. I think it is crazy that anyone would be encouraged to buy more than $600 of products when they have yet to hold a party and have no idea who their customers are or what they might order. 

I also think that the party plan is out of date. People don't have time anymore to have parties. There are so many of these companies around now that almost everyone has done the obligatory parties for their family members and are just jaded to it. The novelty probably wore off sometime in the 80s or maybe even the 70s.  Cheesy

I would guess that many of these ladies who "failed" or "did not work hard enough" would probably do just fine behind a high end cosmetics counter in the mall or in a spa setting.
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2006, 05:30:56 PM »

As a professional woman, I would MUCH rather shop for my products online or in stores as I'm out and about.  I get to use a variety of products, take advantage of sales, and I don't have to be pestered to hold a class, help with a challenge, or come to a recruiting event.  Isn't this what most professional women prefer?
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2006, 06:10:31 PM »

Tracy,

I agree with you completely!  I love to try new products and colors.  And I hate having to clean my house for a party.  Yuck!

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2006, 06:18:59 PM »

Yes Tracy! This professional woman anyway is always looking for a bigger better deal! I have more fun finding a great bargain than cleaning my house so a bunch of womencan come over to "play makeup."

When I have a bunch of people over to "play" we play classic rock! LOL  tongue
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006, 10:00:54 PM »

I think that the system fails at the start by recruiting pretty much anyone without regard to their talents, lifestyle, or financial situation. If you can scrape together $100 for a kit, you're in and the next success story waiting to happen! I can think of so many examples of people signing up that are just not suited to selling cosmetics. For example, a Muslim friend of mine was approached about selling MK. When she pointed out that wearing makeup was against her religion, she gets told, that's OK, you can just sell skincare! Imagine how comfortable she's going to feel in success meetings every week (she declined the opportunity). People get recruited who have never worn makeup in their lives, who have no financial sense, who have no persuasive skills, who don't have transportation to classes, who have other obligations and no time for MK. If a cosmetics counter in a department store hired anyone who came in off the street with no assessment of their skills, qualifications, or ability to show up and do the job, imagine how confident you'd feel having your makeup done at that counter, imagine how little commission most of those people would end up making, and imagine how high the job turnover would be.

The system also fails by encouraging recruiters to hide information from recruits until after they've started. If I apply for a job (much less a business opportunity requiring a financial investment on my part) I need to have correct and complete information to make a good decision on whether to accept it or not. For example, I'm a nurse now. When I applied for my job at the hospital, we discussed in the interview process the exact unit I'd be working on, the number of patients I'd be caring for, the types of illnesses I'd be dealing with, the length and scope of the training I'd receive, the policies on floating to other units, and so on. I was given accurate information and I made the decision to take the job based on the information I'd been given. If I'd been told at the interview, "don't worry about how many patients you'll take care of during training; we'll talk about it later so you can decide how many you feel comfortable with" and then I show up on the first day and was told "you have to take eight patients tonight--everyone starts out that way", I'd realize, that as a new graduate, I'd probably made the wrong choice. To me that parallels how I felt when my recruiter said, "don't worry about inventory right now--we can talk about it later so you can decide what's right for you" and then after the contract being pushed to order a set amount because everyone needs to start with inventory and how can I sell what I don't have and blah blah blah.

As another example: I was sold trying MK after being told that I could just book my friends and relatives and people I meet at their classes, which sounded fine to me. Once I signed up, then I started hearing about warm chatter and calling strangers and hanging up business cards on bulletin boards and all the rest. I've never felt comfortable doing things like that, and once I'd been talked into ordering more inventory than I could sell to people I knew, I was pretty much sunk because I am simply unable to approach strangers in public and strike up a conversation with the goal of selling something. I can sell when the people are already in place to sell to, I just can't initiate the encounter. It's the way I am. If the opportunity had been presented to me completely and honestly, I could have decided to either order an appropriate amount of inventory, at an appropriate time, to service my friends and family, or to decline the opportunity because of the "requirement" to expand my business beyond the bounds of my comfort level.

I agree with those who think that the party system is outdated as well. Everyone shops online or picks up the products they like while they're out doing whatever other errands they have to do. Buying some lipstick and a facial cleanser should not be a three hour project. I'd much rather pay for what I want than clean my house and talk my friends to come over and hear the sales pitch so I can get a hostess gift and a discount. That way I can invite my friends over at my leisure and we can do what we want without pressure--we can even play with my makeup collection if we really want to, for free!

I sometimes feel like a failure for not succeeding in MK, but when I think about the whole company structure, I realize it *probably* wasn't my fault! I've been successful in several other ventures since then, so maybe it's not all me...
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 08:16:10 PM »

I know this is an older topic BUT, I have a few things to say about how directors ect. keep saying that when you leave or quit mk you failed. Whether you failed this way or that way.  Well, let me tell you all what I think: I hope this makes since, I'm having a hard time finding the right words!!

We have only failed in the mk business if we didn't accomplish what originally got our intention in the first place!!

For me I joined mk the FIRST TIME, because I wanted to help a so called friend.  I did then it was over for me.  Then, I found out SHE signed me up again because she was going into diq and needed my help once again.  I let the fact go that she used HER credit card to sign me up and I used that as a way to learn a few things from mk.  I believe mk isn't all bad, there is SOME good in it.  I knew I needed to learn things about myself and grow.  I took that and ran with it.  I learned how to do many personal things.  It was like a self help thing for me.  I knew I needed to learn that I could be loved and love and I could be myself.  That is what I wanted out of mk.  Things like that!

So with that said, you only have failed when you didn't do or accomplish what you wanted to in the beginning.  Otherwise, you didn't fail.  Mk failed you when they tried to push more on you then you truly wanted.  Mk failed you when the directors ect. went just too far!!!!

For me I did what I wanted!  I learned many things and I am grateful for learning it.  I also learned how many people out there will back stab you in a moment.  I also learned who my REAL friends are and who isn't.  I DID NOT FAIL MK!!  MY ex-director failed me by lieing, and cheating from the mk company! 

So ladies, just know you didn't fail!!  Not at all!!  Quitting doesn't mean you failed, it means you finished what you needed to do!!!! 
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2006, 04:44:34 PM »

I agree that the system is flawed and outdated.  I think that the whole home party idea has ran its course. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2006, 12:40:55 AM »

i just happen to see this area.  i hope it's ok for me to put something here. i don't think my wife failed in mk, i think she accomplished so much while in mk.  she grew into a better person, she learned it's ok to be herself and be her own person.  to have ideas and to use those ideas when she feels she needs to.  she learned that she is a stronger woman then she ever though she could be.  i love her even more for how strong she is.  but, sometimes that strength gets on my nerves when she uses it against me.   giggle  i hope she doesn't read this.  giggle
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2006, 09:26:48 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2006, 10:44:50 AM »

i just happen to see this area.  i hope it's ok for me to put something here. i don't think my wife failed in mk, i think she accomplished so much while in mk.  she grew into a better person, she learned it's ok to be herself and be her own person.  to have ideas and to use those ideas when she feels she needs to.  she learned that she is a stronger woman then she ever though she could be.  i love her even more for how strong she is.  but, sometimes that strength gets on my nerves when she uses it against me.   giggle  i hope she doesn't read this.  giggle

Well if MK had anything to do with making her the great woman I met here then...THANKS MK!!!  I am truly grateful to PB&J for justing being herself and being my friend.  Love to you PB&J   and Love to 78Tank   AND  Love Love Love to UYC too!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2006, 02:19:18 PM »

Tank, that's really amazing!  I think my hubby's still in shock from the Mk debt or he might say something nice too... rofl just kidding.  seriously, I really like the idea that we grew so much we grew to be better people than MK...
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2006, 01:46:01 PM »

As a professional woman, I would MUCH rather shop for my products online or in stores as I'm out and about.  I get to use a variety of products, take advantage of sales, and I don't have to be pestered to hold a class, help with a challenge, or come to a recruiting event.  Isn't this what most professional women prefer?

I completely agree.  I want to get what I want on my lunch hour and not be pestered to do anything else.  Women today don't have time to waste on holding a skincare class.  And I now laugh at reps calling it a "facial".  If I want a facial I'll go to an day spa and get someone to actually do the facial.  And you can go to the mall and take advantage of "gift time."  And you usually only have to buy around $20 to get it.  And the gift is so much better than what you get with MK.  If you live in a large area that has several anchor stores in the mall, you can really rack up.  I know of a lady who hits the 4-5 stores in her town when Clinique does the gifts and she never has to buy a lot of glamour items because they are in the gifts. 
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2006, 02:38:47 PM »

I have not failed at MK because, you cannot fail when you have not been given correct information to make an educated well thought out decision.  The company tells you that the market research shows blah blah blah.  So based on the findings you should order inventory to be prepared.  I confess that I was looking for support and recognition because my self esteem was basically nonexistent.  But what I learned was, I am an individual who when given accurate information can succeed at the task presented.  Collecting "nos" is not a positive or health exercise.  I have also learned that "independent" does not exist in MK. MK controlls everything!  I believe that if we were truly independent we would be successful.  If we operate our business as a Kaybot then we fail.  If we operate our business as a professional we succeed!  MK sets up all consultants for failure.  There should never be any "secrets" about was the company is doing with the products (constantly changing  everything frequently).  Truth is the best policy in business for success.

Just my  twocents but I can say this because I have walked the path to deception and forced failure.
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2007, 09:33:48 PM »

I've had 5 years to think about this question and the conclusion to which I have *personally* come is that Mary Kay works beautifully for the few women who figure out that MK is a MLM/pyramid scheme and are able to work the pyramid.  For the rest of us who buy into the hype and believe the MKspeak of it all, not so much.

And IMO the system is DESIGNED that way because it is, after all, a MLM.  So things like market saturation, constant IBC recruiting, strong arming IBCs into placing orders, et.al. are to be expected.  Problem is, Mary Kay does sell an actual product to actual customers so it flys just under the MLM radar despite operating like a MLM.  And they use that to make themselves look/feel/sound like a regular direct selling business.  Just don't try to sell any other way than the MK way OR ELSE!!!

And since all of this is hidden from a new recruit until after they are in, and even when they are in, the real nuts and bolts don't get revealed until AFTER you hit red jacket and are being pushed into DIQ, there's absolutely no way that you can legitimately blame the IBC for failing because they weren't equipped to succeed in the first place.  They don't tell you going in that it is a numbers game ~ you don't get THAT information until you are being trained to book your classes.  They don't tell you how many recruits & how much product ordering it takes to become a SD ~ you get THAT information after you reach red jacket.  And so on, and so on, and so on.  The entire enterprise is built on bait-and-switch deceit and lies.

Unfortunately, in the words of P.T. Barnum there truly is a sucker born every minute and I suspect MK will be around for another 40 years or until the feds shut them down, whichever comes first.
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