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« on: September 07, 2006, 01:32:22 PM »

What was the first thing you remember noticing that led you to get out of the pink fog?

For me, I'd have to say it was when my director, who had led me to believe that it's very rare for someone to fail at the MK business as long as she is working to advance her business, said, "I think the reason why so many people fail at this business...blah blah blah."

That was the first time I heard her admit that most women do *NOT* make it.  Strange, but that line alone is what made me start rethinking this decision, and she said that even before my "debut!"


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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 01:54:45 PM »

I would say that my vision cleared during a skin care class one friday night. I had purchased stuff so that I would have enough for the party, and they all bought unrelated products from the book. They like the stuf they tried, but were more interested in color.
It was a pattern, every class I had I would order, and then have to order after the class to get the stuff they wanted! I felt like a circus poodle jumping through hoops. No matter how much "inventory" you have, you can NEVER predict exactly what people willl actually buy. Short of spending 10,000 wholsale there is no way to be fully stocked. That night I decided I would no longer place orders unless someone had paid me for something up front.
After that I started lurking on this site.  rolleyes
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 02:09:36 PM »

I would say the first unit meeting started making me question what I was doing, but what really made me sit up and take notice was when a VERY successful attorney in my unit became a Sales Director and was talking about how much money she was making and how MK had changed her life and then 2 weeks after DIT she quit MK!

I started thinking, there must be something that she knows that only directors are privy too. . . what could it be? I started searching for information and a couple months later happened upon PC's blog and the rest, as they say, is history (and a scam!).
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 02:28:14 PM »

It really was when my director encouraged me to place a ruby star order in DIQ to make up for production.  I feel really bad that I repeated that mistake over and over and over again...  groan

I should have gotten out THEN AND THERE!!!

I see the people my senior's moving up now, and just want to tell them- GET OUT NOW!!!!

One of her offspring's offspring (did you guys follow that) asked me, "How many personal use orders did you buy just to finish?"  That was another aha!  Why doesn't this work the way it's supposed to???

SCAMARAMA!!!!  Bubble

I'm really fighting a headache today, and I think that's coming through in my posts!  Sorry guys for being such a pissy poo.  pie
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 02:50:06 PM »

I think the fog started to clear early on right after I started getting "training" from my recruiter....she was doing things like cold-calling from the phone book, warm chattering at Target, and she was in credit card debt up to her eyeballs for inventory that she wasn't selling....once I knew her situation, and looked back on the things she told me to recruit me (she misrepresented her MK income and the difficulty of the business BIG TIME) I knew something was shady.
The final nail in the coffin was the horrible sales I had at skin care classes and facials, and that's when I knew that I had been lied to.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2006, 07:33:25 PM »

I would say the first unit meeting started making me question what I was doing,

Me too! That meeting freaked me out. Ugh -- the way everyone dressed alike and had the same haircut and makeup and said the same things in the same squeaky voice. Then the red jackets did a silly dance. What really got me was the psuedo-Christian motivational crap (hahah I'm a little pissy meself today) they wanted us to read. That reminded of Amway. I really wondered what have I gotten myself into. After that I started resarching Amway and found mlmsurvivorsgroup and lo and behold, MK IS very similar to Amway. <<DOH!>> Once they switched the TW formulas a month after I had ordered oh ABOUT 8 or 9 or so sets of it,  I was DONE>
 
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2006, 09:53:08 PM »

I think the first thing that made me uneasy was that when I was being recruited it was emphasized that I'd get a 50% profit on everything--if I sold $200 worth of product, I'd have $100 profit. All of a sudden once I started going to meetings, I was told, "well, actually you only make about 40% after expenses, but that's still more than you'll make anywhere else!" 40% actually sounded really good to me, but why couldn't they just have told me that in the first place???
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2006, 10:58:02 AM »

The "scripts" used on me...

The weird feeling in my gut...

The fake hair, fake nails, HOSE in the southwest and heavy makeup...

The worshipping of Mary Kay, the ultimate hairless troll...

And finally, these creepy husbands like Stryker the porn star...

Yep, all of the above made me scream "SCAM alert!!"   Bubble
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2006, 12:22:05 PM »

Stryker was a porn star? Wha?
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2006, 11:35:58 AM »

When my director promised one thing and delivered another (the old, used make up), after my very first order.  I knew something just wasn't right.  So, I began being very critical and questioning everything.  It all started mounting and it was just too much, I was done.
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2006, 08:00:49 AM »

I think the first thing that made me uneasy was that when I was being recruited it was emphasized that I'd get a 50% profit on everything--if I sold $200 worth of product, I'd have $100 profit. All of a sudden once I started going to meetings, I was told, "well, actually you only make about 40% after expenses, but that's still more than you'll make anywhere else!" 40% actually sounded really good to me, but why couldn't they just have told me that in the first place???

Yep, that's what did it for me.  I was told the 50% off everything you order  line but my director neglected to tell me that you had to order a certain minimun to get that  I was lead to believe it would be easy to be an order taker.  (i.e. customer orders $50.00 of product you order from the company for $25.00)  From then on it was down hill for me.  I couldn't get past the lies.

It wasn't so much the minimum but the fact that I was lied to.  I felt my director should've said plainly that in order to get the 50% you had to order $200 wholesale.    so much for honesty and integrity  Liar
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2006, 05:41:22 PM »

Yeah, I noticed that although Mary Kay Corp. brags about the 50% discount in their response to the FTC, they conveniently left out the $200.00 w/s minimum order every quarter that you have to make to qualifiy for the 50% discount.  That was one of the things I mentioned in my comments to the FTC regarding the business opp rule.

A lie of omission is still a lie. >:(
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2006, 08:51:04 PM »

My pink bubble burst when on the last day of the month my director was worried about not making production for the month when she got a call on the other line...
From a new recruit...

My director had done her wedding makeup (and charged her like $100 for it... nice 'complimentary' appointment) and THEN signed her up.

The woman was calling to say that she had gotten approved for a credit card with a balance that would allow her to start off with a -gulp- $3000 w/s order...

So what did my director do?  She told the woman to call the credit card company back and ask for the credit card number and exp. date so she could use it THAT DAY to place her order...

Because she(my director) wanted to make $4k in production for the month.

I told her, hey, don't sweat it, if she places the order tomorrow then you'll only need $1k in production to finish up August.  Her response made it seem like that wasn't good enough.

Oh, and I forgot to mention - the woman with the credit card lives in a *doublewide*.

That's when I realized - there's no way in heck I would EVER feel comfortable recommending to ANYONE that they go into credit card debt for MK.

It's not that she lives in a doublewide, its that most people who live in a trailer probably can't afford $3k in credit card debt.  We own our house, and we can't afford that much.

THAT'S when I knew.... and *pop* went my bubble.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2006, 09:07:48 PM »

My pink bubble burst when on the last day of the month my director was worried about not making production for the month when she got a call on the other line...
From a new recruit...

My director had done her wedding makeup (and charged her like $100 for it... nice 'complimentary' appointment) and THEN signed her up.

The woman was calling to say that she had gotten approved for a credit card with a balance that would allow her to start off with a -gulp- $3000 w/s order...

So what did my director do?  She told the woman to call the credit card company back and ask for the credit card number and exp. date so she could use it THAT DAY to place her order...

Because she(my director) wanted to make $4k in production for the month.

I told her, hey, don't sweat it, if she places the order tomorrow then you'll only need $1k in production to finish up August.  Her response made it seem like that wasn't good enough.

Oh, and I forgot to mention - the woman with the credit card lives in a *doublewide*.

That's when I realized - there's no way in heck I would EVER feel comfortable recommending to ANYONE that they go into credit card debt for MK.

It's not that she lives in a doublewide, its that most people who live in a trailer probably can't afford $3k in credit card debt.  We own our house, and we can't afford that much.

THAT'S when I knew.... and *pop* went my bubble.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2006, 11:52:48 PM »

My first sign was that I was telling girls in interviews that they would be making $150 a class and if they worked X amount of hours they could make X amount of money.  Yet I had NEVER made that much in a class.  I was supposed to encourage them to go into debt when I don't even believe in debt, although from my cc balance you can't tell.  AAAAAAAAAAARGH!  I STILL feel guilty for interviewing those poor girls...
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