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« on: August 05, 2006, 02:43:03 PM »

I need some help, and I thought that I could find some advice from you fabulous ladies about how to handle it.

My recruiter, who is also a dear friend, wants to be a director so bad; it's all she talks about. The funny thing is that 4 months ago she was about to send her product back! She lost her job and really needed the money and told me, "I'm sending it all back and I'll buy my product from you. I'll even give you my customer list." Then she got a severance package from her lost job and spent $2,000 on products to be a Star last quarter! I was shocked. She never really talked to me about it or anything, just started going to meetings again and now has these huge goals.

I know that our director got a hold of her.  >:( We both met with her about some questions we had (thanks to forums like this one) and our director had a comeback for every thing we said. Now, my recruiter and director talk almost every day, go shopping together (they were wearing the same shoes at the last meeting I went to  tongue )and recruiter wants to be a director by October.

She currently has 2 active team members (me and one other personal use consultant) and 3 inactive consultants and 2 terminated, who signed up and never even went through New Consultant Orientation. She has told me that she doesn't want to work for anyone again and is going to make MK her full-time job. She has even made negative comments about my job (and we used to work together!) and how I need to get out of there. I work for a Fortune 500 Best Company in America! I'm NOT going anywhere! 

I just really need to talk to her about how I feel she's changed, because she doesn't see it. Because she's a good friend, it makes it even harder to be honest with her. I don't want to destroy her, but I need to her see she's not being a good person right now and she's changed a lot in the last 3 months.

She contacted another friend (let's call her J) of ours (who is her personal use consultant) to ask her if they could trade some products that J doesn't need. Then our recruiter would like J to purchase the new products she wants and recruiter would pay for it! I was shocked. My friend/recruiter is a very Godly woman who I always believed had the purest of intentions and beliefs and now she is calling J and practically begging her to help her since "the end of the month is coming and I want to achieve my goals" were her actual words.  :smiley

A week or so ago I found out she purchased another $600 in products (including 21 Even Complexion Essences to 'achieve the company challenge'). She already has over $4,000 in product in her house! And she has nothing booked to sell this stuff. . . I know, I know. . . same old story. It's just so troubling when you see someone you love heading down a path that leads to destruction. It's just not a path of destruction that many people recognize.

How can I talk to her about this without destroying the friendship or alienating her? I don't want to ruin her dream, but I know deep down she can't do it and that our director is going to push her deeper in debt (when she's not working!) and my friend will come to me for support.  :(

Thanks for any help and for reading my mile long post!  :-[
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2006, 05:25:42 PM »

I can totally related with this... I have a great friend and she was my recruiter, trust me in the beginning it was so hard for me because I wanted to tell her so many things but I knew she was not going to understand or listen.. i think I read you are a Former Director, well I was too and what we know is really hard for a consultant to understand.
My recruiter was in DIQ the month after I fall off of Directorship and she wanted to be a Director so bad, I wanted to tell her so many things, but this is the time they are really suck in the pink bubble , so it doesn't matter what you say and how you say it, you'll sound to her as negative and jealous...  What I told my friend was that she needed to be careful because things are not the way they seem and that is important that she holds on  integrity because there is a lot of people who don't have it, I told her I've been there, and I saw so many things, but she needed to be very careful to not get in debt and to be HERSELF, I kept reminding her to never change. And I left it at that, It was hard because I wanted to tell her so much more, but if you get into too much details they will think you are negative...

Now my friend became a Director 6 months ago and we have had many talks when she tells me you know you were right about this and she asked me details on the things that I told her, like why did I said this? or what do you meant by this ? And now I  am able to tell her everything and she actually calls me everytime she has to  vent. She even told me the other day that I keep her grounded, which made me feel good... Now, I know she is not happy with her business and I know eventually she'll quit, but at least I know she is not letting the Director push her into getting into debt. and I know when she is ready she'll get out eventually,but  for the time been I make sure I am there for her.....

I know is hard and it takes time, trust me I wanted to pull my hair because she didn't get it, but at the position your friend is right know the only thing she'll listen is about how to be a Director and that's it....

I don't know if this might help you , but if you have more questions or need to vent let me know......

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2006, 05:52:39 PM »

you know, why not suggest she do some online research? Ask her to think about what is most important to her, and will having 3-4 nights a week away from home support that? Will it fall in line with her priorities? You know, just ask her a lot of questions, because I think women are mislead in thinking they are working for themselves, I was. She is saying she doesn't want to work for anyone---but, she kind of is when she has to follow company promotions, rules and her directors'''I would try to lead her to some online sites if I were you- she may not like it at first, but if she'll just read some women's stories, she may see the other side or at least have that seed planted, and if she does go DIQ, that seed might just sprout fast as she sees what it is like---
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2006, 05:01:26 PM »

Okay, in this saga of my friend. I sent her the link to the MKS information about the new products/discontinued products, etc. and she was all excited about the new products and whatever, blah, blah, blah. Here is the part that almost made me lose it. . .

I can't even retype it, so I have to copy and paste:
"Did I tell you that I found a new website *******. I refuse to link to the site, but suffice to say that it belongs to a women whose name starts with the letter 'F' and ends with 'aith'. I have enjoyed reading this blog and some of the ideas shared. I hope that you find it a good read as well!"

OMG! Has she listened to anything I have been saying? That I would ENJOY reading that blog?  Sick

Had to vent, because if I don't I'll respond to her in a not-so-nice way.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 12:43:02 AM »

That does suck -- total pink fog...  I am going to have a conversation this weekend with my recruiter (we haven't talked in months), and I am very concerned that she may react the same way your friend is...

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2006, 10:29:26 PM »

I am so thankful to see this section.  I'm going to be having one of these similar talks with my recruiter/friend soon.  She knew something was going on in my head when she realized I might go inactive the end of Nov. (which I did)  She called me from out of state and said we need to talk.  I didn't have the energy to tell her on that particular call and we've both been gone back and forth so far this month, but I know that "talk" is coming.  I'm now inactive and feel so much better.  No more pressure, no more dreading the emails from my director saying order more and start that holiday selling.  I was even sickened by the intouch action item telling me to get one of my team members to order just $600 more to make her star status!   groan

But when the time comes, and I know its coming soon, I will just be honest and if this friend is a real friend, she will understand when I say, I love my faith, and family and that's what's important to me.  Not harassing people to have parties, going further in CC debt, and being miserable. 

Thanks for all of your postings and any suggestions you may have for me.
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