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« on: September 03, 2006, 09:09:55 AM »

I bring up this topic because I've been presented with it before from various sources, usually pro-MKers.

The question is, how come we bought all the MK hype and stuck with it and now here we are and can clearly see the scam for what it is?

If we're so smart, why did we fall for it in the first place?

I have my answer to the question. I'm interested in your responses.

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2006, 10:07:51 AM »

I've thought about this alot.  I think I was just desperate for a change in my life, and I knew that I couldn't live with my circumstances any longer.  My husband teaches violin, and his hours are after school; when I started MK those were also my hours.  I wasn't ready to start school, emotionally or financially, and I guess this just looked good.  I thought it would reduce the amount of money I had to make as a private teacher, and then I could go back to school...and not sacrifice the time I wanted to have with my children after school.

What I have learned since is that in an interview, this is what you are trained to do.  To listen for the needs of the person, and present them with the right kind of information that would make them put 2&2 together so they see how MK would benefit them.  As a director, I think your biggest job is to do the same with your consultants.  Find their need, their "hot button" and show them how moving up in MK would benefit them.  I don't believe that ANY  Kaybot would EVER deny that as a description of their job!!!!

So my answer is...I was vulnerable to change, I was looking for it, and I was dealing with people who were extremely well versed in the art of persuasion.

Too bad it was such an empty lie  Bash  Sell the sizzle!!!!  This opportunity can't deliver on its promises, and anyone who tells you otherwise is just telling you what you want to hear!  Bubble
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2006, 12:09:21 PM »

I was recruited by a lady in my church. I had known her for a while and never thought she would actually mislead me. Now I realize that she was very pinkwashed and maybe still is. Anyway, she made it sound so easy and fun and I thought I might be able to make a little money on the side. Of course, I was told that I could return my products so I thought there wasn't a big risk. After I signed the agreement, I found out about all the rules regarding selling and advertising and the unwritten dress code law (Bleh!). I was shocked to see how saturated the market is here. So yeah, it was a big waste of time and money and I feel kinda dumb for falling for it. Sell the sizzle, my moon. I would have made more money with less hassle just getting a regular part time job.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2006, 12:11:32 PM »

I was recruited by a lady in my church. I had known her for a while and never thought she would actually mislead me. Now I realize that she was very pinkwashed and maybe still is. Anyway, she made it sound so easy and fun and I thought I might be able to make a little money on the side. Of course, I was told that I could return my products so I thought there wasn't a big risk. After I signed the agreement, I found out about all the rules regarding selling and advertising and the unwritten dress code law (Bleh!). I was shocked to see how saturated the market is here. So yeah, it was a big waste of time and money and I feel kinda dumb for falling for it. Sell the sizzle, my moon. I would have made more money with less hassle just getting a regular part time job.

Actually, I should say I would have made money. I didn't make any in MK. I was only in for about 6 months and lost $200.  And I consider myself very lucky.  Sick
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2006, 12:33:39 PM »

I started Mary Kay for the part time job, be at home with the kids, or for the kids. If something came up at school i could go, I did the lunch so I could be able to be with them during the day and just kind of be an eye out.

And maybe sell and get customers at the school. not that that was the only place I tried for customers, I did try to get business, I just wanted to   
make at least $75. to $100. a week, Well, needles to say that didn't work.

My last straw was the big comercial thing. I bought the $2400 order ( I have to admit I liked the pink phone) ANd when I found out that if you don't order the star amount or whatever it is called, you don't get referrals for your website, So I thought well that is a waste of $50.00 a year. I had always thought that as long as you were active ($200 every quarter) that you would get referrals. I'm going on way to long and rambling so I won't drag this out anymore than I have to.  Any way, of course nothing that I wanted it (meaning M.K.) to be happened for me and it was time to hang up the pink dream and go on with my life and leave it behind, mark it up to lesson in life learned. NO MORE MLM'S FOR ME.  Bubble

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2006, 12:45:58 PM »

I may have posted this before, but I'll say it again anyway  smiley  I know that I was looking for recognition, something that was very rare at my 9-5.  I also wanted something that was "mine" that I could do with what I wanted.  I saw the jewelry, the cars and the "image" and thought, "if she can do this I can do this"  Little did I know that every conversation was scripted to match my personality, and meet my needs.  I don't think any of us can look at ourselves as "dumb" for choosing the MK Opportunity, MK is in the business of manipulation, and regardless of intelligence, manipulation is manipulation...I say we're geniuses because we got out!!!  smiley
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2006, 02:25:29 PM »

I don't believe any of us are stupid for joining. We took a chance because of being mislead, it happens to the best of us.  What makes us different?  We saw the diception and got out when we realized what happened.  The more I think about it, I'm beginning to think that those who are still in the "Pink Fog" would be a part of another cult anyway, if not a part of MK.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2006, 06:44:27 PM »

For me, I think it was because God's name was used so often.  I truly didn't think someone would throw around His name as a marketing gimmick...I've learned now!  I fell for everything hook, line, and sinker.  I really trusted my director and didn't think she would lie to me or try to mislead me.   Bubble  Boy have I learned!  My director has now been terminated from the company and I am finding out more and more deceitful things she did.  Now I'm stuck with $3,000 in credit card debt and I'm only 19.  Thank God I have a wonderful father who was willing to forgive me and is willing to help me out of this situation!

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2006, 09:46:21 PM »

I fell for it because I believe in the basic goodness of people and just couldn't believe that a person could stand in front of me and lie straight to my face.  Everything I was told was completely misleading if not a flat out lie (just a hundred bucks to start? Riiiight).  I was ripe for the picking since I wanted to make a little extra money and was going stir crazy as a SAHM.  I wanted something just for me.  I was not told anything at all about weekly meetings. In fact, I was told I would be able to have a profitable business just through web referrals. Ha!  Guess how many web referrals I got?  Zilch.  I never thought I would get rich quick but I really did think I would be able to make a few hundred dollars extra a month.  I busted my chops and held eight skin care classes before fizzling out and realizing this was not going to work for me.  Everyone hates the MK lady. The product does not sell itself.  The market is saturated.  "Me time" away from the baby is not "me time" when you're sitting in a cult meeting being preached to by a faux-preacher or when you're standing in front of a group of women trying to "fake it till you make it" since you had almost no "free training" on any of your products.

I was only in it three months. What a mess. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2006, 07:08:21 AM »

I think I fell for it because I was so bored and unstimulated at my day job. I was looking for a way out.
funny, now I am GRATEFUL that I have this boring day job! I guess the whole mk thing needed to happen for me to appreciate what I have got! wave
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2006, 09:23:48 AM »

I fell for it because I'm too trustworthy, I guess.  There was no way my Director was going to lie to me.  Gee, little did I know....

Raising 3 kids these days is quite expensive and I was looking for "extra" money.  I was in MK for 18 months and I LOST more money than I made.  I saw women moving up the ladder, making Queen of Sales at weekly unit meetings, and I kept wondering what I was doing wrong.  It wasn't ME -- it was the stupid company and the way it is set up.  If you don't have 100 loyal, regular customers, and if you don't have 20 active consultants beneath you as you sit on the tip of the pyramid, you're not going to make it in MK.  It's as simple as that.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- I will never ever never ever never ever join a direct sales company again.  I've tried 3 and none of them work.  I'll be content with my 9-5 job and I'll make ends meet that way.  No more scams for me!!  Woo hoo!!  I'm FREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!   bounce
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2006, 07:38:46 PM »

I went for it because I was told the products sell themselves, everybody loves MK!! All you have to do is wear the products and wear the pin and they will come.....I know I can't sell anything and I hate feeling like I'm bugging people to buy something. Even though I'm not pushy at all, people would roll their eyes or run when they see me coming, whether I was trying to make a sell or not. My director was raving about how much money she was making everyday, and a couple times it dawned it me when she slipped and said she averages about $800 per week in sales, it sounded good in the beginning, wow, making an extra $800 a week!!!....but soon I got to calculating about how she already spent half of that on the products....$400 profit.........shipping for the products ($8.95)......10% on section 2......gas (?)......hostess gifts (?).....consultant gifts (?)......other expenses (?).....after all that, she didn't really profit much of anything. And all the rah rah meetings were starting to make me sick....the whole fake it till you make thing is a bust.  And once I started seeing these women jump up and down for the cheap little prizes, that was enough for me. I wish I would have went with my first thought when I placed my initial inventory of $600, the first director gave me a cheap key chain which turned green and eventually broke into pieces, I should have ran then. I was like okay, maybe she gave me that because she could see that I was "serious" about my business, which I was in the beginning. I like the fact of being independent. But I saw them giving cheap stuff away just for people ordering, not selling. It's such a turn off. And when my director started trying to micromanage everybody else business, saying things like "she must not be working her business", "all she had to do was put in a $200 order", "I can't believe she has to ask her husband for $100 to get started, it's just $100".....it was time for me to run.
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2006, 01:27:15 PM »

I think it's a bit harsh to say, "If you are so smart, why did you fall for MK?"  First of all, why weren't we given ALL of the information up front in order to make an informed decision?  Because nobody would be stupid enough to fall for it, that's why!  Second of all, believing something you are told by a woman who looks for all the world like MK is working for her, is not being stupid; it's being lied to and manipulated.  Staying in the company after you realize that same woman is *not* making it, but is very very in debt, and most of the women in the company is in the same boat...*that* would be stupid.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2006, 02:58:54 PM »

I was vulnerable as a new SAHM as well. Here are the things I was told that sucked me in:

1. you don't need to talk to strangers. If you just advertise and wear your pin customers will come
2. Everyone loves MK and the average class are between $300 and $500 per class
3. "we're taught at Harvard"   &%*$#ing *&^%$$#  liars!
4. buyback guarantee makes this business risk-free!
5. you can work 10 hours a week and make some extra part-time income
6. my recruiter: "I just started Mary Kay and I'm already doing so well I probably won't have to go back to engineering" (total lie)

yup - I was a sucker.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2006, 07:25:21 PM »

Oh my gosh- so I just came home from my son's preschool open house...there was a MK director there, and she of course knew I wasn't anymore, but didn't know why.  Anywho, she said, "Jen, you'll never believe it!  I did court of sales this year and I didn't buy it!  I actually sold it!!!"

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So I'm just looking at her, thinking, "Should I say congratulations, or should I just say what I'm thinking- SO HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS DID YOU TO WASTE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT!?!?!?!?"  Ahhhhhh, me.  So good to be free.......

I had to snicker when I saw her pass out her card.  So yeah, I can't believe I ever fell for this- WHAT WAS I THINKING????
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