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« on: January 24, 2008, 07:17:34 PM » |
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Need some input from someone who has walked my walk and will understand my screwed up thought processes. I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that in my heart of hearts I don't really want Directorship, what I do want is the camraderie and I'm embarrassed to admit this- the respect and atention that they get in the MK world. I have been in MK for a few years, I was recruited by a family member and because I am close to this person I have gotten a true bird's eye view of what being a MK Director is all about. She lost her Unit a couple of months ago, She has just been called by the company, they are about to take her "free" car. She only made Car production once in 24 months and has had to make co-pays. She has borrowed over $5000 from me and my husband ( and more from others) to make up Unit production, to make car co-pays and even for living expenses and still owes us over $3000. But right now with the same dead, non working team (former Unit) she had when she stepped down, she is already planning to go into DIQ again and will go into car production at the end of the month. What happened? She has a new recruit who put in a $4200 order and added to her personal whsl production she can do both. She is the hardest worker in MK that I have ever seen and yet I watched her on the treadmill, seeing the frustration, seeing her reap nothing for her efforts, sometimes not even having money to eat. She used to meet with 3 other Directors in her Area, 2 of them also lost their Units and one is about to file for bankruptcy, being over $50,00 in debt!
But here is the sick part. I saw what this is all about, I know that this is all smoke and mirrors... But I still envy the attention she got and is getting again. I envy the attention she gets from our NSD and Director. It angers me that as a family member she couldn't room with me at Seminar or at a retreat because I was a "mere Consultant".. a "mere Consultant" who was funding her Car and Directorship! I plod along, selling enough to contribute about $300 a month to my family budget, I'm a TL with 2 women on my team of 6 who are doing about the same thing but I'm made to feel that somehow I'm not measuring up.
The idea of Directorship exhausts me, constantly trying to cheerlead, motivate, paint a vision, teach, train, yada, yadda, yadda. So then why do I envy someone who holds a position I really don't even want? If you have dealt with this please tell me how you overcame it , I need solutions more than anything else.
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 07:30:36 PM » |
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WOW Pynk, what a story! Sorry, but a story we hear ALL the time!!!!! I felt the same way as you do! I saw what you saw in my director, and finally saw the true light of MK! It's ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS! None of what you hear is truly true, so much is padded. My director use to tell people she made $8000.00 a month (that was one time, but her wording made you think that was EVERY month). Pynk, MK is all about the consultants buying MK, it has nothing to do with selling it! For a director to make real money they would have to be recruiting 24/7, and that's not possible. Read the posts on this board and you will find that you too can "overcome it" (the pink bubble). Best of luck to you pynk! Hope to see you around a lot!!!!!! 
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 08:04:06 PM » |
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Hi Pynkpanther, love the username! I too saw how overworked my SD was, but I believed the fakey-smiley facade for a long time. Until I found this site I believed that when she said she makes 75K/year, that she actually deposited that much profit into her personal account.  I too envied the attention, the idea of making that much $$, getting all those "prizes", all those "extra Director bonuses", and even being the one who looked like she had all the answers to help everyone else get there. Being in MK alerted me to a seed of greed that was sitting dormant in my soul previously. I didn't sign up to work my butt off full-time+ and make 75K annually (which is a joke and a lie in the end it turns out), I just wanted some extra spending $ to loosen the monthly budget, and I didn't envision myself bothering people, esp. people I knew and loved, to constantly buy more, to enter such-and-such contest by holding a class for me, to "help me reach my goal", to attend another guest event, to sign up too, etc. etc. etc... But, it happened. I bothered some of them right out of my life. All for something I didn't really truly want anyhow. Yes, all amounts of extra $ are always nice, esp. when you're on a tight budget, but friends are too high a price to pay for it. As for wanting that admiration and attention, I've come to know myself more and be more solid in appreciating what I'm good at, what I'm capable of, the awesome potential that lies w/in me. That removes the need for any fake pink rah rah cheers. PS, life coaches are great, check out www.coachville.com to print free self-help worksheets.  Hope that helps! Check out other posts around here and you'll soon find that alot of what you were told in MK is really outright lies.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 08:34:40 PM » |
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Hi Pynkpanther. I've not been in that position (My big goal was making Red Jacket  ), but I want to welcome you to the forum. I applaud the other ladies for their responses. They're definitely heartfelt and wise. You'll find a wonderful community here, glad you found us.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 09:17:29 PM » |
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Welcome Pynkpanther - As a former director, I identify with your feelings completely. I wouldn't have described myself as someone who craved that attention and lavish praise and notoriety. In fact, I like to stay out of the limelight, but once in Mary Kay, it was a driving force for me. Even after I was a director and realized the hamster wheel I was on, I was like your family member who kept going back for me - believing that this next month, next recruit, next whatever was my big ticket.
What you need to know is that the system of dangling carrots (i.e. directors only rooming; cars; red jacket only lunches, etc.) and the recognition are strategically planned to get you to do what they want - what MK the company wants, and your upline. They know how to push your buttons.
You're brave to recognize that you crave what they're offering. I'm telling you though after chasing it for years, even the recognition and "big girls only" crap is an illusion. You will keep wanting more because once you get those things, you realize they weren't what you thought. Also, you have to sell your soul to get much of it, and at the very least do things you find unethical and unsavory - that makes whatever recognition you get feel very hollow. That car suddenly doesn't seem so "free" when you're making payments on it each month. Yet you are expected to tout your "free" car to consultants below you to make them want what you have. Instead of feeling special and elite, that car now feels like a ball and chain around your neck. You feel like a lier - and you are one.
Your upline will know how to play you - the company knows how to play you. It's all marketing. It's a bad drug. When you're in MK, I think it's hard to make yourself NOT want those things paraded in front of you all the time. You find yourself working your ass off for a .50 stretchy bracelet. That's not the real you - the real you would never do that. The real you doesn't drop $1800 on a credit card to get a piece o' crap bracelet and a pat on the head.
You have to be away from it. Quit going to things. Sell back inventory. Stop talking about MK with them. Stop Mary Kay. When you separate yourself from it, you realize who the real you is - and she doesn't want to be the person you thought while in Mary Kay. You'll realize those things you thought you craved so much make you a bit ill now. You'll like yourself a whole lot better, too.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2008, 09:34:23 AM » |
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. Sell back inventory. Stop talking about MK with them. Stop Mary Kay. When you separate yourself from it, you realize who the real you is - and she doesn't want to be the person you thought while in Mary Kay. You'll realize those things you thought you craved so much make you a bit ill now. You'll like yourself a whole lot better, too. That's the dilemma for me. My husband asked that I contribute an extra $400-$500 a month to our family budget- I sell enough to contribute about $300 and with my tiny recruit commissions (bwt $75-$120 a month), I'm close to the $400. I enjoy my business, I have a nice small but loyal customer base and have been recruiting a couple of people a year. I don't push it. But in spite of the fact that I was the most consistent person in my family member's former Unit and now even in her Sr. Director's Unit, because I'm not setting the world on fire with huge sales, I never qualify to win anything. The amounts I sell or order in any given month are never enough to win the contest or challenge "dujour" so I get no recognition for anything I do. Just more encouragment to "dream big", "step out of my comfort zone" , I'm sure that many of you hear or heard the same things. It makes me feel like crap and so I find myself thinking, obsessing really that if I was a Director things would be different- even though I know better! I deal with esteem issues and for someone like me, this Co is like catnip.Talk about knowing what buttons to push! I guess I know that I can't have it both ways, if I choose to stay in I'll just have to learn not to let it get to me
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 10:03:44 AM » |
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Pynk, there are a ton of jobs out there that will allow you to bring home $400-500 a month. When I first started working for my school district, I was bringing home about $500 a month and only working 3.5 hours a day Mon.-Fri. There are a lot of jobs out there that don't make you lose your self esteem or cause you to become in debt! There are soooooooo many things wrong with MK!!!!! 
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2008, 11:03:52 AM » |
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WWIT is exactly right. You can bring in that amount of money in MUCH less hours than MK, and with none of the  If you were to actually look at what you spend in MK, and what you owe (or at least are owed - sounds like your friend still owes you $ due to MK), you are not making money. At best, people in MK break even. For those that are actually able to make a meager profit, their wages are are less than what they would make working at McDonald's per hour. You have to account for the fact you are going to pay self-employment tax, which will cut 30-40% total out of whatever profit you made. The "tax deductions" are a farce - if you manage to use them at all to show that you didn't make a profit because you spent so much, guess what - you really didn't make a profit and now you have it in black and white in front of you. I would encourage you to keep a record of every minute you spend on MK in a month, how much money you owe (and its owed you), your interest spent each month, and every penny you spend on your business. Mary Kay does not teach you how to run a legit business in any sense and they NEVER have you keep track of your time, your most valuable asset. Even if it's doing something you are having fun with, say a meeting or a prize lunch, it's time spent on your business and COUNTS. Write it down. Every second you spend cleaning those mirrors, handing out a sample, taking an order, placing an order, etc - write it all down. You'll be surprised and dismayed at what you find at the end of the month - maybe even appalled. Commission cannot be relied upon either - it's not the "free money" MK presents it as. I left directorship and chose not to sell back my inventory, even though I hated MK by that point, because I falsely believed that just by maintaining my customer base I had built and collecting commission on what was left of my team that I would make... $400-$500/month to pay off the debt I had accrued. As time goes on, this gets harder and harder and harder to maintain. Suddenly your customers don't all order at the right times and you don't have enough to make a min. order to maintain active status - no commission for you until you do. Or you fall back into ordering a min order, even though you don't need it all, justifying that you WILL need that product to sell... eventually. No you won't. You'd be sick at the amount of product I had to literally throw in the trash. Then, your team members start dropping off over time. They won't be interested in MK forever, much less be active themselves all the time. The ones that stay eventually become personal use, ordering 1-2 times per year. If you get commission at all at this point, it drops to maybe $10/month or less. I had a team of around 20 personals when I left directorship - within a year I was collecting NO commission because I couldn't stay active myself. And when I did, it was pitiful - $20 was a good month. By the time I sold back my inventory for a pitiful $600, I had about 4 personals left out of that 20 (w/in 2 years, 16 had dropped out of MK). Had I sold back my inventory when I quit, I would have gotten over $7000. Sitting back and maintaining you own business will never be enough for them, because your upline and MK makes no money unless they get you "moving upward". Everything is designed around this goal for them. If you think you have self-esteem issues now, directorship will send you over the edge. You get to see firsthand how everything is orchestrated to make the consultants beneath you want what you have. What recognition you do receive as a director is totally false, and usually given with instructions on how to make it look good to the little people so they want what you have. And the farther you go up, it never ends. They're always pushing you to do more, go higher, get more, order more, recruit more because they're not top and you're NEVER EVER GOOD ENOUGH. Never. Now you get to room with other directors, but there are 4 of you in a room and you don't get the "top director" suite for your area. You don't get to go to your Sr. Director's house for lunch that month because you weren't a "big girl" and didn't recruit 3 qualified in your unit, so you don't get to learn all the "secrets" that your sister directors will get to learn (you're punished and banished). You didn't get a commission check over $2000 that month (ha!) so your name and face aren't on the area newsletter, so everyone sees what a loser you are. You don't get to run up to the front of the room at an area retreat because you didn't have enough production - so you have to sit with your unit and be embarrassed to watch your sister directors run up there (the few that did), even though you know most of them either bought their production themselves or goaded new consultants into large inventories (or placed orders under consultants names). But yet you still get to feel like loser in front of "your girls" who wonder why their unit isn't running up front with the others - not aware of the cheating. You think they make you feel like crap now as a consultant - it's nothing compared to what you feel as a director. If you just need money, MK is a way to lose it, not earn it. If you're looking for fun, MK is fake and will suck you in a bad way. Get a new hobby, take a class at community college, start an aerobics class, join a church group, volunteer - anything is more real and will be fun and many times FREE. 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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2008, 04:16:47 PM » |
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I really wanted to become a SD, but after 8.5 yrs and amassing the debt I did, I am glad I accidentally found my way to this site and another one. It truly woke me up and let me know that achieving that level was not really better, that even if you operate ethically, the money is not there for most. When I first sent my product back in September, I felt very sad, like I had lost something...now after a few months and getting the blue check to help out with some of the debt, I realize that I wasn't mourning the loss of MKC, I was mourning the loss of a dream and trying to find a new direction! I discovered that life is so much better when you are free of MK and the deception. When I was lost in the fog, I really thought that MK was a positive environment and a great place to be....it is really just an elusive shadow. Glad to be out of MK!  for this site and the wonderful ladies who make it a safe haven. I'm living life, not chasing dreams!
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2008, 04:21:26 PM » |
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I hope that what I'm about to say doesn't get me kicked out, but if so I understand. I enjoy my MK business. I don't have any personal MK debt (the only debt we have is what we've loaned to this family member). My time spent vs earning ratio is very high and I since I'm a caregiver for my Dad, with a husband and 2 kids I need this flexibilty. This reason that I haven't recruited more is that I show potentials very honestly what I earn after expenses, (and I don't tell them it's 50%- more like 20%-30%) . My new Sr. tells me that I tell potentials too much. But all things considered, I like the product, I like my hostesses, my customers and team members
What I was writing for is to address what I DON"T like. To try to overcome this feeling that unless I'm a Director I'm nothing. To have my small monthly whsl orders be as valued as the hot shot who puts in a one time big order or has a couple $1000 week and then dies off. To not desire Directorship because I know from personal experience that it's nothing to aspire to . I know that I need to work on esteem issues, but I was hoping that someone here had dealt with the same things yet had learned to work this business on her own terms, not allowing other's definition of success to define her, not letting herself be manipulated or her buttons be pushed as I am.
I do like to advice not to attend everything, I'm one of those who is on every Conf Call and at every event.. so I will cut back. I want to continue in MK, for that you all may feel that I'm not angry enough and request that I leave, again if so, I understand. I came here because I wanted some ideas to help me look to places other than my Director/NSD and this company for affirmation and validation- even if I'm not dreaming big enough.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2008, 04:27:10 PM » |
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anything is more real and will be fun and many times FREE. MK is never free - not financially or emotionally.
 So, pynk, it sounds like you have your options laid out plainly (no sugar-coating here!) in front of you. Quit while you can, get off the hamster wheel, and get out alive, OR attempt to keep selling but cut ties w/ the pressuring uplines, block their pink spam email addresses so you don't even see those stupid prizes/contests, and leave them out of it. After all, if it's your own independent business, why do you need anyone except yourself and perhaps your DH who sees you working hard to pat you on the back? You could do things for yourself when you reach your goal, like get a new top, get your nails done, or put a little into a vacation fund (the ideas are endless, you would get to choose, and it wouldn't be some crappy peice of 50-cent children's jewelry). Whatever you end up choosing to do, I seriously recommend not going to anymore meetings (immediately!), not reading the MK forwarded emails, not listening to the hype. Stop taking their crap. They don't appreciate the padding you've already contributed steadily to their pockets or the free ride you're giving them on your hardworking back. They will always want more. Don't feel guilty, don't give in to that. I must say though, I completely agree w/ Baroness. She is laying it all out for you in truth. ((((HUGS)))) Hang in there, it's a hard process.
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2008, 04:30:51 PM » |
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pynkpanther, you really have got the right idea. Don't sell yourself short! You are working your business very smart and achieving what you want without selling your soul or stealing somebody else's! You go Girl!
Hold your head up high, because you haven't taken advantage of anybody else to make money! I guess what I am saying is that there is nothing to envy! You are an honest, ethical business woman and you are making what you want, meeting your goals and living life your way. The prizes aren't really that great and the price you may pay for that recognition may be too high!
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2008, 04:31:16 PM » |
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"I want to continue in MK, for that you all may feel that I'm not angry enough and request that I leave, again if so, I understand."
Oh dear hon, you have us confused w/ another site. This is the ban-free zone! There's even a section for active consultants. To each their own but w/ eyes wide open, I say!
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Exactly, rethinking! No banning here for just being a consultant!  But we will give our opinion freely... Baroness, you rock as always!
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