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« on: June 30, 2008, 08:07:39 AM »

eBay has announced a bunch of changes to its rules for buyers and sellers.

The changes are listed here: http://pages.ebay.com/sell/June2008Update/details/index.html

They should be giving more details in the near future.

One biggie is that sellers can no longer leave negative or neutral feedback for a buyer. Sellers can only leave positive feedback for a buyer. The theory is that buyers were afraid to leave negative feedback because they feared retaliation by sellers. I don't know if this was a big problem, but I do know that telling me I have to rate everyone the same irritates me.

What if your buyer isn't good? Oh well...buyer gets a positive anyway.

Make sure you stay up-to-date on these changes if you sell, or buy, on eBay.
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2008, 10:06:39 PM »

That John Donahoe guy is the #1 reason I have virtually stopped selling on eBay. He's a madman! He's turned eBay upside down and frankly I'm scared to sell. A buyer can get away with anything now. Paypal is a whole 'nother issue. Let me go see if there's a Paypal thread!!
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 04:18:09 PM »

Well I don't know anything about ebay, as I didn't get in early back when it was simpler (or is that a myth?).  But, just a question, are you required to give feedback?  If your only feedback option is positive, & if you have a neutral or negative transaction with someone you could just withold the positive by not giving feedback at all.  Just a thought... don't know if it's even possible.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 08:27:26 AM »

Yes, RTP, you can. You don't have to give feedback. But then if you're going to do that, why have feedback at all?

If you're going to tell people that they can only give positive, what's the point? If you don't give feedback, then there's no way anyone else doing biz with that person in the future would have any clue about the person.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 02:48:26 PM »

I agree with LJ; I look at feedback ratings befor I deal with people on Ebay. It's good to know if someone isn't reputable as far as sellers and buyers are concerned. I don't want to pay for something and never get it or have it be different from what's described. It also helps lessen the chances of someone bidding on and winning an item then refusing to pay for it (which I've had happen to me before). It helps keep buyers/sellers accountable IMO.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2008, 02:51:14 PM »

That's really dumb.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2008, 09:24:11 PM »

Hey, I have a question. Would anyone use the positive feedback (our only option) and leave a negative statement? (If you were the seller, I mean.) I've already seen it done and I don't know if I'd do it or not. It's still giving the person a positive! But my husband suggested that everyone will probably start doing that and in turn making positives worthless. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 08:56:44 AM »

Yes, GoldFlower, I think that is exactly what will happen. When you're left with no other option, what are you supposed to do?

If you have a feedback system and make it lopsided like this, what is the point? The feedback becomes meaningless.

eBay's excuse is they say that buyers were intimidated by sellers and felt that if they left negative feedback that the seller would retaliate and give the buyer a negative as well.

I hate to tell eBay, but there are buyers who leave inappropriate comments and mark them as negatives and there are buyers who leave negatives for things that they shouldn't. It's ridiculous to let buyers be the ones ruling eBay.

I can't express adequately how stupid I think this change is.

They made a change to the dispute process as well, which I don't have in front of me right now, but I remember that it wasn't that great of an idea either.


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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 11:46:21 AM »

Wow, a lot of choices we have here to protect us *sarcasm*


Step 1: The buyer opens a dispute


To report a problem with an item that was not received or significantly not as described, go to eBay?s dispute console. The problem needs to be reported between 10 and 60 days after the purchase date.

When you report an item, you indicate whether you haven?t received the item or whether you have received it, but it was significantly different from the item description.

Report a problem with an item

View your open disputes in the dispute console overview

Note: Your eligibility for reimbursement through our buyer protection programs is determined by the payment method that you?ve used and the eBay country site where you have purchased the item.

If you?ve paid with PayPal, you are covered by PayPal Buyer Protection and will be redirected to the PayPal Web site to report your problem.

You can only report a problem on the specific eBay country site where you?ve purchased the item. Learn more about buyer protection on eBay.

If you bought the item as a guest, you will need to register to open a dispute.

Step 2: eBay contacts the seller


After you?ve reported your problem on the dispute console, we contact the seller, informing them that you?ve reported a problem with an item and encourage them to communicate with you within the next 10 days.

Most of the time, this direct communication resolves the dispute before you have to take further steps.

Step 3: The seller responds


If the seller responds, you?ll be notified by email. The seller has the following response options:

I'd like to communicate with the buyer to resolve this dispute. The seller can then post a message for you to review.

For a dispute with an item not received, the seller can also respond:

I haven't received payment or the payment has not yet cleared.

I already shipped the item. If the item has already been shipped, the seller may provide shipping details for you to review.

I'd like to offer the buyer a full refund. The seller can offer to return your payment.

For a dispute with an item significantly not as described, the seller can also respond:

I'd like to offer the buyer a full refund. The seller can offer to return your payment.

Step 4: The buyer and seller communicate


After the seller has responded, you can communicate with him or her directly through the dispute console to resolve the problem.

All information posted in this tool will be accessible anytime by you, the seller, and eBay Customer Support.

Step 5: The dispute is closed


You have two options to close the dispute:

My concerns have been resolved ? I want to close the dispute.

Choose this option if your issues haven been completely resolved. For example, make sure that you have received the item and it is exactly as described, or that you have received a refund. A closed dispute can't be re-opened and you can't file another dispute for this purchase.

My concerns haven't been resolved ? I want to report this seller to the eBay Trust and Safety team.

When you select this option, our Trust and Safety team is immediately alerted about the problem and may take appropriate actions if they find the seller has violated our Seller Non-Performance policy. Actions may include restrictions or suspension of the seller's account.

Timeline: The buyer can close the dispute at any time if the issue is resolved. The buyer can report the seller if the seller does not respond within 10 days, or anytime after the seller responds.

A dispute can only be open for 90 days after the purchase date. If you don't close the dispute within 90 days, it will be automatically closed. When a dispute is automatically closed, the seller is not reported to eBay's Trust and Safety team.

Leaving Feedback
After you file a dispute, we encourage you to leave Feedback for the transaction. Please be honest, fair, and factual. This will help make other members aware of your experience and help keep eBay a safe place to buy and sell.

The Feedback Score of buyers and sellers who were involved in a dispute reported through our dispute console is not automatically affected.

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2008, 11:48:15 AM »

This is for us sellers:


Unpaid Items can usually be resolved by direct communication between buyers and sellers. eBay provides an online process enabling the buyer and seller to communicate with each other to resolve the situation. eBay's Unpaid Item policy and eBay's User Agreement make clear that buyers must pay for the items that they commit to purchase.

There are four steps to the Unpaid Item process.

1) Sellers can file an Unpaid Item Dispute.

Sellers can report an Unpaid Item up to 45 days after the transaction date (i.e. the date when the buyer commits to buying the item and the seller commits to selling it). Usually the seller must wait 7 days after a listing closes to file an Unpaid Item Dispute. However, in the following exceptional cases, the seller can file a dispute immediately:

At the time of the filing the buyer is no longer a registered user of eBay.

The seller and buyer wish to mutually withdraw from the transaction.

In the first case the buyer will receive an Unpaid Item strike and the seller will receive a Final Value Fee credit without any additional steps.

In the second case the seller must file the dispute for mutual withdrawal. If the buyer responds to the dispute and agrees, the seller will receive a Final Value Fee credit and no strike will be given to the buyer. If the buyer fails to respond, the seller can still close the dispute to receive a Final Value Fee credit, and the buyer will not receive an Unpaid Item strike.

File an Unpaid Item Dispute
See all my Unpaid Item Disputes

2) eBay contacts the buyer.

Once the seller files an Unpaid Item Dispute, eBay sends the buyer an email notification and displays a pop-up message if the buyer signs into eBay within 14 days of filing. The email and pop-up message will provide the following details:



Friendly reminder to pay. The email and pop-up message will remind the buyer that payment has not been received, along with simple instructions on how to respond or how to pay for the item. If the buyer does not respond to the email or pop-up message within 7 days, the seller may file for a Final Value Fee credit. The seller also becomes eligible for a free re-list credit.

Mutual agreement indication. If the seller indicates that a mutual agreement has been reached with the buyer not to complete the transaction, eBay will ask the buyer for confirmation through an email and pop-up message.

If the buyer confirms the seller's statement about mutual agreement not to complete the transaction, the buyer will not receive an Unpaid Item strike and the seller will receive a Final Value Fee credit.

If the buyer disagrees with the seller's statement on mutual agreement, the buyer will not receive an Unpaid Item strike and the seller will not receive a Final Value Fee credit. The dispute will be closed immediately after the buyer responds and the seller will not be eligible to re-file an Unpaid Item dispute for that transaction.

If the buyer does not respond to the email or pop-up message within 7 days then the seller will be able to close the dispute. The seller will receive a Final Value Fee credit and the buyer will not receive a strike.

3) Item Dispute Communication

The buyer is presented with several response options to communicate to the seller:

I want to pay now. Paying for the item will close the dispute. For listings where PayPal is available, the buyer just has to pay using PayPal to close the dispute. With other payment methods (such as checks or money orders), the seller is encouraged to wait until payment is received before choosing the appropriate option to close the dispute.

I already paid. If payment has already been made, the buyer may provide details of the payment to the seller for review. The seller can then choose the appropriate option to close the dispute.

Communicate with the seller. The buyer and seller can attempt to resolve the problem by communicating directly through the eBay Web site. eBay will provide a message area where the buyer and seller can communicate with each other without relying on email. The seller can close the dispute at any time by selecting the appropriate closure option.

4) Closing the dispute

The seller can close the dispute after the buyer has responded at least once, or if the buyer does not respond within 8 days. A seller can find all Unpaid Item disputes they have filed in their Dispute Console. The seller has several options to close the dispute:

We've completed the transaction and we're both satisfied. With this option, the seller does not receive a Final Value Fee credit and the buyer does not receive an Unpaid Item strike.

We've agreed not to complete the transaction. With this option, the buyer does not receive an Unpaid Item strike, the seller receives a Final Value Fee credit, and the item is eligible for a relist credit.

I no longer wish to communicate with or wait for the buyer. With this option, the buyer receives an Unpaid Item strike, the seller receives a Final Value Fee credit, and the item is eligible for a relist credit.

Note: A dispute can only be open for 60 days after the transaction date (i.e. the date when the buyer commits to buying the item and the seller commits to selling it). If the seller has not closed the dispute within 60 days, it will be automatically closed. When this automatic closure takes place the seller does not receive a Final Value Fee credit and the buyer does not receive an Unpaid Item strike.

Feedback and Unpaid Items

Buyers and sellers may leave Feedback for each other on transactions involving Unpaid Items even if there was a mutual agreement not to complete the transaction. eBay encourages all users to leave appropriate Feedback about their trading partners.

If the seller files an Unpaid Item dispute against a buyer, any negative or neutral Feedback left by that buyer will be removed if the buyer does not respond to the dispute before the deadline, and receives a strike. 

About Unpaid Item strikes and suspensions

Unpaid Item strikes are issued and tracked by eBay.

Unpaid Item strikes are separate from feedback, and do not affect a user's feedback score or member profile.

If a buyer is issued an Unpaid Item strike it will automatically be assigned to their account when the seller receives their Final Value Fee credit.

Buyers have the option of appealing an Unpaid Item strike if they believe it was undeserved.

For transactions involving an Unpaid Item, Feedback left by buyers may be removed when:

A buyer fails to respond to the Unpaid Item process

A buyer responds to the Unpaid Item process, but in replying to it they do not express dissatisfaction with the seller or the item.  Subsequently the seller issues an Unpaid Item strike against the buyer.

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2008, 08:46:36 AM »

I did see a place where sellers can list problems from the buyer. Has anyone used it? Is it worth the html it's printed on?
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2008, 10:48:56 AM »

It probably goes to a "Page Cannot be Displayed", lol.
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