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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2008, 07:26:59 AM »

Okay....happy update!

Had a long chat with my brother and we read through the signs and symptoms of asperger syndrome. And he was soo happy about it! He said...."that is so me...everything about how I act makes sense now!"

And he's willing to talk to someone and is going to let me pick out the doctor (mainly cause I think that is too over whelming for him) But hey! I think this is great!

Now to find a doctor that will accept him as a patient and one that will take the time to try and make a diagnosis? We'll see? :thumbup:
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2008, 09:25:21 AM »

Great news, Sassy!   I will pray that your brother is properly diagnosed and that he will get some treatment.  It sounds like he was relieved to have a name for the feelings and things that he is experiencing!
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2008, 10:24:30 AM »

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That is really good news.  I am glad that it went well!!!

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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2008, 11:01:42 AM »

That is such great news!

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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2008, 08:51:54 PM »

 :yays: I am so glad he acknowledged it!   :loveshwr: Best wishes for finding additonal help! 
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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2008, 09:00:08 PM »

Oh My Gosh Sassy! That is AWESOME news!!!!!! Oh, I wish him the best! There are so many great meds out there, he is bound to find what works for him!!!!!! YAY!!!!!

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2008, 02:29:59 AM »

 :yays: :yays: :yays:  That's awesome Sassy!  Best wishes to all of your family as he moves forward with getting help.   Love
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2008, 04:38:55 PM »

Usually people with aspergers don't get offended too easily. But you can find some great information online on some national organization websites. Someone who has this syndrome and has never been diagnosed has probably just learned ways to cope and adapt, but they would also be very set in their "ways" and habits. You might just try showing him some information. It may not be aspergers at all- but if you suspect something is not quite right, or he's suffering from, as you say, being paranoid, etc, he may need some sort of counseling or consultation to rule out other imbalances, etc.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2008, 09:05:41 PM »

Thanks for the tips BOP.....I had a psychiatrist send through a survey for him to complete....it will give an indication of whether or not he has tendencies towards asperger's.....and then I guess we'll go from there!
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2008, 09:14:40 PM »

Sassy -

 Love Love Love to you and your family!  Once it is determined if he has the tendencies, then he will be able to work on the steps he needs to overcome!  It is very possible, especially with asperger's, to work out ways to assist with the "problem areas" and since he is acceptable to this, I am sure that he will get lots of help!  Love Love Love

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2008, 05:42:47 AM »

Hey Sassy!

I wanted to tell you that my son was diagnosed with Asperger's this year, and it was one of those "Yeah, I knew it" moments.  It was like I knew a while back, like you did, and then getting the diagnosis just confirmed all that I knew!  Anyway, trust your gut in things like this!

There is a wonderful book out there called Look Me in the Eye, and it is written by a man who has aspergers.  It is just the best, funniest, most shocking book, and is unique in that it really explains the issues he has from the perspective of an adult with aspergers.  I think there was a book written by his brother called Running with Scissors, but I've never read it.  Anyway, thought I'd throw that out there for ya.

Incidentally, what you were describing earlier sounds alot like the anxiety my son had much of this year.  When we got the diagnosis, many people, his teacher, myself, etc, began to be more proactive with him, and he just relaxed like I've never seen him do.  I am convinced that the problem with most Asperger's people is really just the rest of the world!

I'm thinking about ya...

Oh, and one more thing.  A very wise person told me, "Well, if you've seen one Asperger's kid, you've seen one Asperger's kid!"  Your earlier posts, and other's ideas about other things this could be can all make sense within the context of Aspergers.  The problem with the disorder is that it's a spectrum, so there can be many other things thrown onto that spectrum, and those things may be very different from person to person.  I know that the psychological community will eventually get this sorted out with better testing...but I know that just treating some of the "core" issues can make a big difference.
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2008, 09:25:15 AM »

Thanks for all the info Free! I'm definitely going to read that book! Doubt I'll be able to convince my Brother to read a book that doesn't involve hydroponics (he's been self medicating for years!) :teehee: I can actually have a "normal" conversation with him when he's high!

I'm so glad that your son is going to have all the benefits of behaviour teaching and learning to cope with society from a young age! That is going to make such a huge difference for him!

I have a friend at work who's son is Asperger's and we've talked for a long time...she said that once she started doing some reading it was like she just knew that her son had Asperger's and it was such a relief to know she could get him help (something my Mother never had)....and since her son's been to therapy and had medications to help control the anxieties it's been much better for them.

On a funny note...once my brother got the idea that all his issues had a name and he liked that....he went to the local bar and started telling anyone that would listen "I'm an asperger....not to be confused with ass****, that's why people think I'm a jerk!" ~No social skills at all!~ ~sigh~

One of the Aspergers "signs" is not cluing in on when other people are bored by what they are saying...they can't or don't catch on to non-verbals....my poor brother does this all the time!  :gah:

I'll be thinking about you too Free! Love
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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2008, 06:39:27 PM »

you are right. those with aspbergers do not pick up on facial cues---well, they see them but don't differentiate between them. For example---being really excited or angry could look the same, etc. You usually do better being specific and very direct. It may give him some relief!
Often times people who know there is something not quite right do self medicate. That gives them an excuse to what they cannot explain. Perhaps having an explanation will help him understand himself, how his own brain works, and of course help all of his friends and family to better understand him--and give him an even better life.
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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2008, 09:52:28 PM »

Sassy, This is kinda wordy, but I copied an e-mail of a question & answer session with Sean Barron, author who considers himself "healed" of autism.  I thought may be helpful.  There is also a reference to his books, I tried to list the books in red and the questions in blue.


"Learn from the true experts - those on the spectrum  --  Sean Barron"
Spinning objects, switching lights on and off, throwing things and rigid behavior is how Sean spent much of his time as a child.  Today he is free of autism.  He articulates why he felt the need to engage in the ritualistic behaviors that so many of us find hard to understand.  Sean's books reveal a fascinating perspective of life on the autism spectrum. 

Sean's Interview

What age did you become verbal and what was your prognosis at that time?

I didn?t really use words until close to age five (yet I could tell time before that).  When language came, it was often stilted and peppered with echolalia.  I often referred to myself in the third person. The prognosis was quite grim.  I was diagnosed in 1965 by a doctor, who like so many professionals at that time believed that autism was the next thing to a death sentence. In essence, it wasn?t a matter of whether I would be institutionalized, but rather a question of when.

As a child, did you enjoy playing the same games as your peers? If not, what were your interests?

Prior to nursery school I was quite solitary, except for playing with my younger sister, Megan. I spent the bulk of my earliest years being transfixed on spinning objects, switching lights on and off, and manipulating various objects such as Tinker Toys.  I also devised categories where I grouped people and objects.  All of this was done in an attempt to create order from chaos.

What age did you become interested in your peers and when did you start making friends?

This didn?t start to gel until I was 16, after we had moved to California from Ohio. Fortunately, I found myself in a new school where no one knew my troubled background and ?history? of having been teased, bullied, etc. Students at the Sylmar Calif. high school seemed to have a wider tolerance of what was acceptable behavior, unlike my previous school.  This made me relax enough to start being more open to friendships. At the same time, my sister had a network of friends and I slowly ingratiated myself with them and found acceptance. In 11th grade I went with several of these friends to a high school play.  This was the first time I really went out socially. For many people, this may have been a routine occurrence, but to me, this social event was a revelation.

Can you describe some of the repetitive behavior you had as a child and explain the purpose these behaviors served?

Such behaviors included, but certainly weren?t limited to, tossing objects into a backyard tree to watch them fall or get caught.  Switching lights off and on; watching our washing machine spin; and manipulating a variety of toys and objects. Uniting these and other similar actions was a quest to somehow convert pure chaos into a semblance of order, while compartmentalizing was an attempt to make sense of my environment.

Can you describe some of the ?rules? you had as a child and how you reacted if things didn?t go the way you expected?
Since it was infinitely easier to ?control? objects and predict outcomes as opposed to people, I devised a variety of rules over the years for people.  I did this to try and fit them into a box of sorts, so that I could simplify their complexities. I almost always devised these rules based on some fixation.  For example, I had an intense interest in school buses during my middle school years. I loved to watch them line up in the rear parking lot, prior to the end of the school day and always tried to be the last person to board.
Similarly, I devised a rule that my three family members were to come to the breakfast table each weekday morning in a certain order (in much the same way that the buses arrived each afternoon). If this or a similar rule was violated, I experienced a level of anger way out of proportion to the action. If the morning breakfast table rule was broken, it was not uncommon for me to come home from school later that day with emotional residue.
Interestingly, in my mind it was OK for my family to come downstairs in any order they wished on weekends because the buses weren?t running.

How old were you when you realized you were different from others and what brought about this awareness?
I would say this painfully dawned on me around age five, when I entered kindergarten.  I quickly realized the social Grand Canyon gap that was evident between me and the other pupils. Many of the children shunned, ignored or teased me because I was socially aloof, and I had no idea how to relate to them.

How was your relationship with your family as a child and how is it today?
I enjoy a very close relationship with my mother, father and sister, the kind in which many ?I love yous? are routinely exchanged. During my childhood, teenage and young adult years, however, my relationship with the family was tumultuous and strained.  This was largely because they were trying to reach the person they firmly felt was trapped under the veneer of autism, against a backdrop of frustratingly repetitious behaviors, lack of eye contact and social problems. I feel extremely blessed that they had the wisdom to realize that I didn?t want to be the way I was and fought like crazy on my behalf.

Are you currently employed and if so, what do you do?
I work as a free-lance reporter for The Vindicator, Youngstown, Ohio?s largest paper, and write human interest stories, among other things. I?ve worked in this capacity since receiving a copy editing/reporting internship in August 2000 as part of my journalism major.

Do you have any accomplishments you'd like to mention? (Such as education, work achievements, personal accomplishments)
Perhaps not surprisingly, I feel most of my proudest achievements have come post autism. I?ve won many accolades and a few awards for the book ?There?s a Boy in Here,? and was the area?s Big Brothers/Big Sisters organization?s Big Brother of the Year in 1998.  I also received a plaque for being part of a prison ministry of sorts in the late 1990's for having on several occasions visited an inmate at a private prison. I once again work at our local phone crisis center, helping people in crisis or who are suicidal, after a nearly 20-year hiatus. I previously worked at the center in the 1980's (I was still working through autism.)  Now that I'm better equipped to help others, I wanted to replace my prior experience with current positive ones, and of course to give back to the community.

Do you still consider yourself on the autism spectrum?

I do not, in that I consider myself healed from the disorder. I use the word ?healed? as opposed to ?recovered,? because some people feel autism isn?t something one recovers from. Nevertheless, autism in no way impairs my ability to function daily, nor does it interfere with my desire to socialize, work or in any other way maintain a normal life.

At what age do you think children should be told about their diagnosis?

I don?t feel this is age related per se; I think it depends on when parents feel ready. I was diagnosed at age three and my mother and father were forthright by telling me right away - and on several occasions in subsequent years. My inability to think abstractly, however, prevented me from understanding what autism meant until much later.

Do you find it offensive if someone is referred to as ?autistic? rather than ?a person with autism??

I?m not offended as much as I am disheartened. I?m a firm believer - without resorting to political correctness - in placing the person first, the disability second. Most of us don?t refer to an individual diagnosed with cancer as ?the cancer person.? So it is with someone on the autism spectrum.

If you could change one thing about neurotypicals, what would it be?

Many people today have more awareness of autism than was the case 20 years ago. I guess I would like a greater number of ?typical? people to view and treat those on the spectrum as unique, instead of stereotyping the diagnosis and automatically equating autism with Dustin Hoffman's character in ?Rain Man.?

If you could advise parents about one thing, what would it be?

I hesitate to give advice to parents or teachers because I feel they know their child better than anyone.  Instead, I try to offer suggestions (mainly based on my experiences) that worked for me, which I hope will be beneficial. As I see it, advice seems a bit judgmental and implies that I know what?s best for the person when I probably do not. In speaking at conferences, I often let parents know how important it is to continually tell their children with autism that they?re loved. And when it comes to assessing themselves, I try to get across to parents and professionals a form of what I call FID: Be flexible, improvise and don?t feel like a failure if it doesn?t always work.

If you could advise teachers about one thing, what would it be?

Essentially as above, but also to be sensitive to the fact that if you?ve met one person with autism, you?ve met one person with autism - to avoid, in other words, lumping them into categories. It?s important, of course, to have classroom rules, be consistent and so on, but to also understand that a child with autism may break a rule for many reasons other than sheer defiance and testing of wills.

Is there anything else you would like to add?

My perspective on my autism underwent a 180-degree transformation upon having written the two books "There's a Boy In Here" and "Unwritten Rules of Social Relationships. " For most of my life I viewed my disability as a curse and wanted more than anything simply to be normal. Now, however, I see autism as a blessing since it paved the way for me to have the life I have.  I have enjoyed many benefits from writing the above two books as well as being on the speaking circuit.  It feels good to be in a position where I can use my experiences as tools to help others going through the difficulties of being on the autism spectrum. Nevertheless, that?s not to say that I would ever wish to be autistic; I just see it in a much more objective and healthy light. 
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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2008, 01:42:48 PM »

I am curious, does Asperger's in preschool have a component where in addition to tantrums, the child will almost seize opportunities to hurt other kids?

I had a situation happen over the weekend, where my 3 year old nephew tried to knock his 2 year old cousin off a porch with the door as he was coming out.  Luckily, I grabbed the door just before it hit her.

His parents have been having a horrible time with him behavior wise, and I took notice that something is really off with him.  He has no interest in playing with other kids, and when his mom gets him together with other kids, it's like he has the social skills of a 2 year old.

Also, although he's not a highly scheduled kid, he is VERY dedicated to routine, and gets very upset if it varies at all.

He's not diagnosed with anything, but his parents are desparate to find out how to help him.  He seems to match some, if not many of the symptoms I've seen online, though.
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