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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2007, 08:41:53 PM »

I've stayed away from answering because I've seen, too many times, my religion trashed or made fun of when it's been brought up and I didn't want to invite that type of behavior here.   I'm not saying it will happen on PLH but it has on past anti-MK forums/blogs I've been a part of.  I know that LJ wouldn't let that happen here.  I just didn't want to take a chance because some of the attacks were extremely hurtful even though they were completely untrue.  People I thought were my friends made fun of my religion.  It seems that even though other religions are accepted wholeheartedly (even those that make you go WHAT?, mine is the only one that can be bashed in every day conversation, in the media, television, movies, etc...  and people laugh rather than defend the American right to practice my religion.

The more I've thought about it, the more I've realized that I've let the bad behavior of boorish people in the past influence my decision to not share my religion now.  I am who I am and I am not ashamed of it, nor of my religion.  I am, in fact, who I am BECAUSE of my religion.

I am a member of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints; commonly but incorrectly referred to as a "Mormon."

My MIL found peace in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints late in her life.  The people were the nicest people, when she was laid up after surgery they brought her meals (enough to feed an army) for a week (we were invited up to eat meals with her because she and my FIL couldn't finish it by themselves.  My MIL passed away almost 5 years ago and the people from her church still talk to me when I go into town because they knew I was her daughter-in-law.
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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2007, 10:38:02 PM »

That makes me so sad Snoopy Laura that you have been given such grief by other people over your religion.
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« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2007, 06:36:29 AM »

Snoopy Laura, I am sorry that you have to go through this.  I have seen how mean people can be towards another's religion.  The internet, IMHO, has made it real easy to insult someone because you don't have to face them.

Some time ago, there was an Episcopal church in Pottersville, NY that was burned by arson.  They caught the person, and he said he burned the church because he believed that the church wasn't following the word of God.  This was an 80 year old church that had recently put an addition on to their building. 

Prior to setting the blaze, he was kicked out of a Bible school.  This man really and truly thought he was doing the right thing.

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« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2007, 07:42:24 AM »

This man really and truly thought he was doing the right thing.

Michelle

Another example of organized religion causing violence in the name of God???

I know, I know violence can also happen without religion....but take a good look at wars and what really causes them....people's difference of opinions of what religion is "right".

Why can't people just love each other and accept the differences....even the really big ones that feel so wrong to us.

It makes me sad that the middle east has had such difficulties....and that there is such hatred growing for North America...there's proof in that every time you turn on the news and hear about yet another human peace keeper/ soldier being killed by roadside bombs etc.

Okay so I've started rambling and getting a bit political :teehee:

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« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2007, 03:17:41 PM »

 Love Snoopy Laura  Love , I'm so sad that you felt afraid to tell us about your religion. I'm not sure where or why the LDS name started causing mockery, because MOST of the followers I have met are the most kind, family oriented people on this earth. They even go outside their religion to help neighbors and friends (I know, because I've been the recipient of their generosity, with no strings attached)! It's too bad that people feel the need to make fun of others! Sad world!!!!  Love
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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2007, 04:58:18 PM »

This man really and truly thought he was doing the right thing.

Michelle


Another example of organized religion causing violence in the name of God???

I know, I know violence can also happen without religion....but take a good look at wars and what really causes them....people's difference of opinions of what religion is "right".

Why can't people just love each other and accept the differences....even the really big ones that feel so wrong to us.

It makes me sad that the middle east has had such difficulties....and that there is such hatred growing for North America...there's proof in that every time you turn on the news and hear about yet another human peace keeper/ soldier being killed by roadside bombs etc.

Okay so I've started rambling and getting a bit political :teehee:

I'm sending out some love to everyone today because I feel like it and I think it's important! Love :ki$$: Love :ki$$:

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Sassy, here is the link to the story:

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=634438

In this case, I don't think it was organized religion, but some crackpot going off on his own and setting fires.  I don't believe that the article mentions what church the man attended, however, it does note that he was thrown out of a Bible school.

But he did get his opinions from somewhere.  I have seen all kinds of hateful, hurtful things being said on the internet by "Archie Bunker" types and it makes me sad.

Michelle
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« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2007, 05:36:01 AM »

This man really and truly thought he was doing the right thing.

Michelle

Another example of organized religion causing violence in the name of God???

I know, I know violence can also happen without religion....but take a good look at wars and what really causes them....people's difference of opinions of what religion is "right".

Why can't people just love each other and accept the differences....even the really big ones that feel so wrong to us.

It makes me sad that the middle east has had such difficulties....and that there is such hatred growing for North America...there's proof in that every time you turn on the news and hear about yet another human peace keeper/ soldier being killed by roadside bombs etc.

Okay so I've started rambling and getting a bit political :teehee:

I'm sending out some love to everyone today because I feel like it and I think it's important! Love :ki$$: Love :ki$$:

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Hmmmm... debating whether or not to share my true thoughts on this or not...  Ok so I will, but please everyone, understand that I am NOT trying to push my ideas on anyone, and that I don't hold judgement or any ill feeling towards anyone.
I believe that God is love, and evil acts done in His name are actually done in the spirit of religion.  "Religion" meaning just going through the motions of traditional practices without seeking a personal relationship w/ Him.  Not to say that God has not or will not wage war; He has done so and it is prophecied that He will again*.  *Note all the prophecies that have already come true, in the far past and even recent - but that's even more off topic... (check out the book of Isaiah, written hundreds of years before Christ was born, yet God revealed to him details of how Christ would be born, treated, accepted/rejected, and how he would be crucified and rise again - that's just one of many many examples...)
Anyhoo, these yahoos that are running around killing abortion Dr.'s or picketing against gays, etc. have missed something in Christ's example for us, IMO.  You have to look at how Jesus lived his life, what He and God have to say about this type of behaviour or "heart attitude" and ask yourself would you really do that if He were standing next to you in the flesh?  Would he do that?  Is that how He treated people?  No.  However, He didn't just turn a blind eye and stay quiet either.  Because good and evil do exist, and God is love, Jesus, as part of that love, extending that love, could not stand idly by and allow someone to continue in sin w/o warning them.  Not to reject them, but as an invitation to Him - no sin is "part of" someone, so rejecting the sin is not the same as rejecting the person.  Love is quite different than tolerance, and contrarty to modern popular teaching, tolerating something means putting up with something that actually bothers you.  Charles Marx (self-proclaimed destroyer of Christianity) wrote that the way to take down Christianity and love was to instill the belief in tolerance, then tolerance would replace real love in society.  God knows our full potential apart from sin and really wants to free us from it, and see us live at peace w/ His will.  I don't think it's our place to decide to go to war ourselves - "Vengence is mine, saith the Lord".  Their day will come if they don't repent (i.e. not just ask forgiveness but also turn from sin to Him).  If you love someone and they are doing something that blocks the flow of relationship w/ God in their lives, staying quiet in the name of tolerance is merely being an accomplice and God expects us to at least, out of love (gently, lovingly) present the truth.  If they reject it, then they will have to answer for it.  But if you present it, then you've done all you can but still have to LIVE out Christ's love to them - be loving to them in day-to-day life.  I think this generalized rejection of groups by any other group is a bunch of hooey too (for example, Christians picketing against gays).  We are all sinners and all offense is transgression against God.  Though some may seem worse than others to us, all of it is equally going against God's laws.  That passage that says "Judge not, lest ye be judged" goes on to say that if we pass judgement, then why shouldn't God judge us with the same judgement (immature human nature judgement) that we judge others?  The author also goes on in the same chapter though comparing people who are living in different types of sin to dogs, pigs, and empty white "sepulchres".  So, he wasn't saying not to call it out when someone is living a lie, or not to tell them when they haven't heard the truth.  I think he was saying not to think ourselves better than anyone else - not to let negative pride in.  Personally, it would be very hard for me to do that unless it was in the context of an already formed relationship, where I cared deeply for the person and was worried about their soul.  However, on a basic level, I have that love for all people, and want to share the truth with everyone.  Just like it's not fair for anyone to make generalizations like "all natives are drunks" just because all the ones they've met are - it's also not fair to think of Christians as violent, fanatic, narrow-minded, etc.  Please don't think I'm accusing anyone here of that - I'm just saying, that's what often happens out in the world when crazy people do schtool like that - burning down churches and stuff.  So, there's my 2  twocents , please no hatemail, like I said, that's what I believe is true, and I'm getting down off my  Soapbox  now!  smiley
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« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2007, 09:16:04 PM »

Rpt,

       Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I like them....it has certainly evoked some soul searching and thinking on my part! I definitely agree that God it Love!

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« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2007, 10:28:00 AM »

I was Wiccan for many years before becoming a Christian.  I think it is sad how so many "Christians" act towards those who are "different."  I believe it saddens Christ every time someone acts cruel or hateful in His name. 

Something else that saddens me is to see how some "Christians" treat goth teens and young adults - like they are satanists or worse.  mad2  Honestly, the ones I have met have been some of the sweetest kids!  :loveshwr:

Just because I don't believe what other people do and are concerned about where they will go when they die does not mean I have to be hateful.  The Bible says, "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."  (Romans 5:8)

Christ was never hateful to those who did not know Him.  And, IMHO, we should not be, either.  :loveshwr:
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« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2007, 05:53:03 PM »

I agree Shay! I think it's our duty to find what we have in common with everyone, and not judge them! We don't have that right!!!!!!m Love
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« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2008, 06:10:00 PM »

My CHURCH is all the people I know who discuss Jesus in one breath and our dinner plans in the next. WE pray togeter and do Bible Studies together and have fellowship. WE thank God for our salvation and Praise God frequently. And we go to fun events, plays, shop. We live our lives.  Then come Sunday mornings many of us go to several  different buildings to worship.
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« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2008, 07:58:53 PM »

My DH was raised Lutheran and I was raised Catholic.  When we were dating and started getting serious we looked for a church we could both be comfortable in that would accept divorced couples getting remarried, thus we became Presbyterian. After several years our church split into 2 churches and started getting pretty political (I mean 1 church pitted against the other), so we quit going to church.

Five years ago some friends invited us to a Christian Church (they do not call themselves nondenominational, but I would).  We have never been happier.  We belong to a couples Bible study, a Sunday school class and he attends a men's Bible Study and I attend a ladies Bible study.

Although our church has strong teaching against gays and abortion, we are content to let others live their lives, peacefully and let God do the judging.  We work hard to develop our own relationship with God through prayer and study and try to stay away from those polarizing discussions.

I guess you would call us lovers not fighters, although I am sure some would say we don't stand up strong against those who "sin".  I think my sin is between me and God and try not to be too judgemental against others.  You know the "judge not lest ye be judged". 

Anyway, that's my  twocents worth on a touchy subject.  I haven't met too many people I didn't like and I know I like the people on this site a lot!

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« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2008, 10:54:21 PM »

A Catholic Girl, here!Attend mass and have made all my sacraments.....I feel like I'm the minority, here, but I know this group is an open, loving one!

Besides, where else can you go where you get a free shot of wine???  Just kidding...lol

Glad to meet a fellow Catholic sister.
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« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2008, 10:56:04 PM »

Cradle Catholic! Whole family- all the sacraments. Husband converted before we got married. There's only 1 catholic church within an hour of my new house though and it's very money orriented and cold- not at all like the church I was raised in. Trying now to find a christian church my family can be involved in. Pretty sad, but we're currently church hopping!

Try going to a Catholic church in the middle of fundamental Baptist territory!  It is considered a mission church with only 60 families.
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« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2008, 10:19:34 PM »

The hubby and I go to an Assemblies of God church...not for any particular reason other than we really like the people there!
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