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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2008, 10:50:32 AM » |
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Although our church has strong teaching against gays and abortion, we are content to let others live their lives, peacefully and let God do the judging. We work hard to develop our own relationship with God through prayer and study and try to stay away from those polarizing discussions.
Oh I didn't mean to point one way or the other when I brought those issues up - my point wasn't the issues themselves, but the people who in the name of "doing God's work" go and spew hatred at generalized groups of people, and those (abortion clinics and gays) were just 2 that I used as examples. On those issues though, The Bible states very clearly what God has to say about them, but I agree Lipstick, let's remove the huge wooden beam from own eye before picking at the splinter in someone else's. We will all give an account for how we spent our time/energy/talents/money and each can only account for himself (or herself to be all politically correct). Jesus did spread truth and told his followers to "go ye therefore and teach all nations". But He left us w/ a choice, our free will to choose (that God gave us when He made us) still remains. He didn't give us an example of forcing people or hating people b/c they won't believe. He doesn't want a bunch of robots who've been frightened or forced into following - He seeks a genuine relationship w/ us. For me to call someone else out on their 'sin', I would have to be pretty close to that person and know that they were trying to live a life apart from that 'sin'. If I'm not close to them and they haven't disclosed to me that that's how they want to live their life then how is it any of my business? Hope that clarifies any previous misunderstanding! 
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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2008, 10:50:32 AM » |
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« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2008, 01:43:38 PM » |
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RTP, I agree with what you said in both of your posts wholeheartedly and I didn't take anything you wrote as criticism. Oh I didn't mean to point one way or the other when I brought those issues up - my point wasn't the issues themselves, but the people who in the name of "doing God's work" go and spew hatred at generalized groups of people, and those (abortion clinics and gays) were just 2 that I used as examples.
My point I guess is that we know what the Bible says, but I too believe God gave us all free choice and we will each one of us have to answer for our personal actions one day! When I was young, (does that sound like song lyrics?) anyway when I was young in my late teens, early twenties, I believed that abortions was a personal choice and although it might not be for me, I wouldn't want to take that right away from anyone else. As I got older (and found myself unable to have children), I changed my perspective on abortion. I felt that if my adopted son's birth mother had decided to have an abortion, I might never have had the wonderful experiences of joy and love that my son has brought into my life. I guess I just don't believe that burning down abortion clinics and bombing doctor's cars because they perform abortions is any better than abortion itself. So I figure that if God gave us free choice, who am I to take it away from others. I see nothing wrong in how you stated your views and I hope I haven't offended anyone with mine. I like this forum and especially like that the ladies here are mature enough to realize that God made all of us different and at any given time in this walk we call "life" we can change our minds and if we have different beliefs, we at least respect each other for the differences and don't let them get in the way of becoming friends with different opinions. I've come to believe that God hates sin of all kinds, but he loves the sinner and is always willing to forgive. Some sins may be worse than others in our eyes, but all sin is forgivable in His eyes! Anyway that sure was a wordy way for me to say, I wasn't offended or upset by anything you or anyone else posted and hope I didn't come across as being critical of anyone else and their beliefs! I welcome all views, it is interesting to hear all of them and it keeps my mind active pondering them! I'm genuinely glad to read and exchange views on all sorts of topics with everyone on this forum. It's a great space to be in with a lot of very intelligent, caring women! 
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« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2008, 08:52:47 PM » |
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Amen! What Lipstick said! I didn't get the feeling I had offended or that you misunderstood, but just in case you or other readers did - I felt I had to clarify. It's all good - like you said, all opinions and walks of faith are welcome here.  It is truly interesting to converse w/ others of differing views, not debate, just share and learn. Back to the main topic then I suppose... sorry for hijacking!
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« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2008, 01:10:34 PM » |
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I guess we're really mixed up...I've nicknamed us Baptyterian. We attend a Presbyterian worship service (we like the traditional service, hyms, etc, ) and a Baptist Sunday School b/c we enjoy the people and deep discussions. I also attend the women's Bible studt at the Presbyterian Church...and MOPS this fall. 
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« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2008, 01:25:30 PM » |
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But Lipstick, you're saying that taking away a woman's right to have an abortion was only ok with you after you needed something? Once you wanted a child, it was suddenly ok to take away woman's rights? Some might see that as selfish. 
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« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2008, 02:17:38 PM » |
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Nope, did n't say that...read waht i said again. I said it changed my perspective on abortion. If my son's birth mother had had an abortion, my DH and I would havew missed out on so much joy and love and the world would have missed the wonderful young man he has grown into! For ME abortion would not be an option. But God gave us all free will, so who am I to take that away? My faith teaches and I believe that from the time of conception, the embryo is a living person. God has a purpose for each one of us. there is a reason we were born, whether we fulfill that purpose or not. My faith also teaches me that I am not the judge of others, God is our only judge, so I wouldn't tell somebody who chose abortion that they were a sinner. Not my right to judge! But if somebody asked my opinion and asked what I thought they should do, I would tell them to consider that pregnancy is 9 months compared to the lifetime of a person. I also know there are other reasons than not wanting to become a parent that a person might want to consider abortion...the mother's health, rape, incest and those are very personal and i would never judge a person for making the choice they make! WOW, I didn't mean to make that long of a post, but hope that clears up my position for you. Personal choices...no judgement on my part 
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« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2008, 02:30:47 PM » |
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« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2008, 06:10:34 PM » |
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I was raised Catholic. I was going to a nondemoninational church, but I kind of took a break for the summer.  Actually, it just became too much work to go and sit there for so long and my mind would just wander anyway. I am thinking of trying to go back soon (maybe this week....I keep saying that every week  ). I think I am having trouble figuring out the importance of church in my life or what I should be getting out of it. Maybe my expectations are wrong, who knows? 
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« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2008, 06:41:48 PM » |
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Maybe your expectations aren't realistic because they're just lies you've been told your whole life. We're all taught to go to church but if you think hard about it... why? Oh yea, for your tithe, lol! I don't think you should do something that you don't need in your life. If your life is going fine then it sounds like 'don't fix it if it aint broke', lol.
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« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2008, 07:56:03 PM » |
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That what I am thinking. I just like to go for the Bible studies, but it is not a life-changing experience for me. Some people act like church is so important and wonderful and you just can't live without it. I don't get that, but maybe that's just me. Sometimes I wonder if I am really missing out on something or it people are just saying that because that is what they want to believe. Oh well. We're all taught to go to church but if you think hard about it... why? Oh yea, for your tithe, lol!  you are crazy, girl. 
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« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2008, 08:01:12 PM » |
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Go with logic and what you believe. Don't do anything that doesn't feel right just because people tell you it's supposed to feel right.
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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2008, 08:06:25 PM » |
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Well, to me taking part of the summer off felt right.  Seriously, though I had some stuff to figure out between me and myself and church was getting in the way (everyone telling me what to feel, ya). So I am sure I'll go back when I am ready. 
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2008, 08:17:16 PM » |
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I still say whats wrong with living a good, clean honest life, following the teachings of the Bible (as I believe that was the original purpose of the good book, to teach), while being good to Mother nature and your fellow man? I refuse to believe in a God that would condemn me to hell if I do not worship every Sunday....My daughter has a little friend and I feel like her Mother is trying to "recruit" me to her church! She gave me some reading that basically said I was totally going to hell!! My DH joked that I should in return try to recruit her for MK....lol! Too bad! I'm no longer active! 
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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2008, 08:20:45 PM » |
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Haha, that would get her goat!
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« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2008, 08:27:45 PM » |
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My DH joked that I should in return try to recruit her for MK....lol! Too bad! I'm no longer active! Now I believe that would be HELL on earth (MK that is). 
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