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« on: December 16, 2007, 04:05:38 PM »

Wow . . . I stumbled on this site while searching options for liquidating MK inventory and I'm absolutely speechless!

I'm a 25 year old grad student from NY who got involved with MK this past summer. I met my recruiter at my part time job and chose to attend a class simply because I was interested in networking with her. In talking to her initially I found that she worked her full-time job in the industry I am interested in going into. Her director got me -- once she found out I was an MBA student, she pretty much said all of the things that I wanted to hear. As a result I signed up and ordered $1,600 wholesale worth of inventory. As I am sure you all can understand, I had a *little* help jumping off the inventory cliff. My reasoning/justification at the time was that it would force me to commit to seeing MK through.

Trouble is, about 2 weeks after I had my grand opening my mother was diagnosed with a very aggressive form of breast cancer. I am fortunate enough to be living at home and have a very flexible schedule between school and my part time job, so I take her to all of her appointments. Her first round of chemo was dose dense every two weeks and her second round is weekly. I'm in class two nights a week and have no desire to be away another night of the week, faking a "rah-rah" attitude in a class trying to get people to spend money. So for the last 4 months I haven't done anything with my MK business, except for a few email/website orders. Meanwhile ordered an additional $800 wholesale by Sept. 15 to make Ruby Star -- yes, even still more encouragement from my district manager to help me along. Tho I am sure I disappointed her, she wanted me to make Diamond Star! So here I am, $2,400 wholesale inventory and barely working my part-time job so that I can be home for my mom. At the time that I ordered my inventory I could afford to carry that inventory, but now that I'm not working as much or doing MK I simply can't. I have bills to pay and school to pay for!

I finally made the decision that I need to send my inventory back to the company. I cannot in good faith keep this inventory -- all it represents is money being tied up that I need NOW. My mom's treatment will take a year at least. We started in September with chemo and she won't finish until the beginning of March, which is when she will have her mastectomy and then its on to radiation... I called my recruiter, she was sad and really didn't know anything about the return process...amazingly enough she didn't really try to talk me out of returning my product. In fact she said that maybe the company would be willing to make a note in my file regarding my circumstances so that I could resume later of inf I chose to.

However, an hour later I got a call from my district manager -- 30 minutes of coaxing and veiled threats. She told me that she was sad to see me making a permanent decision for a temporary situation and she didn't want to see me regret it. If I sent my inventory back I could NEVER EVER be a consultant again. She told me how fortunate I was to have a business that I could take with me. She suggested that I take my products along with me to the treatment center and pamper the nurses and other patients, that I would make sales without even trying. She went on to tell me how she did the same thing for the nurses when her dad was in the hospital and how she walked out with a $200 sale without even trying. I told her that I would never do that -- I wouldn't feel comfortable, not to mention that I don't think it is the time or the place at all. When I am at the treatment center I am there for MY mom, not to take advantage of others -- its just wrong on so many levels. Then she told me that I should try and sell as much inventory as I can at 30% off, which I am actually doing, because I will only get 90% back from the company and again its a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I told her that I knew that and wasn't concerned about it, because between the sales I have had and freebies I will end up at least even if not a little ahead. I mean come on -- 90% is $240, I would still be getting $2,160 plus tax back. "Oh, I'm not sure about the tax. NY state already has the tax, so I don't know that you get that back." ARE YOU KIDDING ME? GMAFB! What does she think I am, stupid? Then of course, the next argument was the more I shipped back, the more shipping I would have to pay -- "is it really worth it for such a temporary situation?" Oh, did I mention I resent my mother being called a "temporary situation"?!

So needless to say, the district manager pretty much made up my mind for me. I am trying to sell the inventory I have left ($1,600 wholesale) at 30% off. Anything left over I'm shipping back as a big ole' F-U. The sad thing is I like my recruiter, yet the district manager has managed to alienate both myself and my recruit. There are some nice products, but for a company that prides itself on "God first, family second, work third," work sure seems to come first! I'm so over it!!! :drama:
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2007, 04:36:08 PM »

I agree with you - send it back!!  I sent back as much as I could in Sept. and have been very happy since. 

Just a note about the freebies that you thought were free:  they will add the retail value of them to your allowable return.  So you are allowed to return the retail value of your purchases + the retail value of the freebies.  BUT they will then deduct the value of those freebies from your check.    You can add them to your return, but they will deduct for them.  You do not have to return the exact products that you received for free, just the retail value of them.  So in effect, nothing is free.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2007, 05:47:01 PM »

First, I am so sorry to hear about your mom.  I will keep her in my prayers that she have the strength she needs to see it through this trial in life.

Second, the directors are going to tell you everything they can think of so that they do not have any chargebacks on their commission checks.  They really do not care what is going on in your life just keep buying and don't say anything negative.

Ship back everything you can.  Any expenses that are left file them on your income tax as a business expense/loss.  I think there is a worksheet somewhere here that you can use to figure up your inventory.  Just call MK for the 90% total and date due to MK.  Then use the worksheet and send it back.  You do not have to wait for the MK form.

Forget about Mary Kay and take care of your mom.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 08:42:31 PM »

I agree with you - send it back!!  I sent back as much as I could in Sept. and have been very happy since. 

Just a note about the freebies that you thought were free:  they will add the retail value of them to your allowable return.  So you are allowed to return the retail value of your purchases + the retail value of the freebies.  BUT they will then deduct the value of those freebies from your check.    You can add them to your return, but they will deduct for them.  You do not have to return the exact products that you received for free, just the retail value of them.  So in effect, nothing is free.

Thanks for taking the time to explain the return policy over PM. The whole this is just so intimidating... So basically I might as well send all of the freebies back or try to sell them, as opposed to keeping them for myself, because I am actually "paying" for them in a sense. How nice of them to tell you that no matter what, the freebies are yours to keep -- well duh, because you end up paying for them! *shakes head*

I'll tell you, as intimidating as it is, the decision is becoming that much easier. I don't put up with this BS from the men in my life, so why put up with it from MK? *NEXT!!!*
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 08:56:38 PM »

First, I am so sorry to hear about your mom.  I will keep her in my prayers that she have the strength she needs to see it through this trial in life.

Second, the directors are going to tell you everything they can think of so that they do not have any chargebacks on their commission checks.  They really do not care what is going on in your life just keep buying and don't say anything negative.

Ship back everything you can.  Any expenses that are left file them on your income tax as a business expense/loss.  I think there is a worksheet somewhere here that you can use to figure up your inventory.  Just call MK for the 90% total and date due to MK.  Then use the worksheet and send it back.  You do not have to wait for the MK form.

Forget about Mary Kay and take care of your mom.

Chaos Tamer, thank you.

What can you expect when it turns out you are only a number, preferably prefaced by a $ sign? Funny thing is, she told me that she would be following up with me the following week (which was last week) to see how I was doing with my sales and find out what she could do to help. Haven't heard a peep. I'm guessing she's hoping that by laying low I'll forget this whole thing, because I obviously can't do anything on my own *rolls eyes*

I will prolly call tomorrow to find out the official numbers and request my form. Let's see how fast she calls me to discuss this permanent solution to a temporary problem. Thank god for caller ID and press 7 to delete, LOL. I'm thinking that returning will be the best thing, plus I can return all of the foundations and whatnot from my friend (who I recruited and she alienated by leaving 15 messages in 2 weeks and that's not counting the times she called her without leaving a message -- all to "welcome" her to the family. I now realize it was to get her on the phone to push for ordering inventory.) and recoup some of her investment.

Might have to change my VM outgoing message to "Tough shit...family and my bank account come first." Hehe...
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 10:08:54 PM »

Cloud,

You will find that when things become tough for you you MK sisters quickly disappear.  Only when there is good news and positive energy will you hear from anyone.  But, here on PLH you will get prayers, support and true caring.  The only way to get a director's attention other than buying products you don't need is to return that product!

Good luck with the packing.  You will love your blue check all the way to the bank.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 10:52:23 PM »

Cloud~

Hang in there with your Mom ~ it sounds like you know what is best for you and your family.

The sooner you de-pink yourself the better ~ be glad you didn't get more in debt with it.

This is a GREAT Group of Women who will stear you in the right direction as well as support you in your decisions regarding MK and Life.  Glad you found us and I look forward to seeing you on the board.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2007, 09:04:38 AM »

When the going get's tough, MK Directors IGNORE YOU!  SO, time to ignore them and do what's right for you!  Praying for your mom! 

Pack that box and SEND IT BACK!  It will be one of the happiest moments in your life!
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2007, 12:06:09 PM »

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She suggested that I take my products along with me to the treatment center and pamper the nurses and other patients, that I would make sales without even trying. She went on to tell me how she did the same thing for the nurses when her dad was in the hospital and how she walked out with a $200 sale without even trying.


 :gah:

Not this stupid "pamper the cancer patients/nurses bullshit again! I can't take it. These directors have some nerve. Not only is it solicitation, it's tacky beyond words.

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If I sent my inventory back I could NEVER EVER be a consultant again.


Of course, you know this is a lie, right? With a big inventory order, everyone can be a consultant again.

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I think there is a worksheet somewhere here that you can use to figure up your inventory.


Yes indeed. Here's the link: http://www.pinklighthouse.com/inventoryreturnwksheet.htm

By the way, cloudkckr9, don't, I repeat DON'T waste your time trying to sell stuff at 30% off. It's not worth it to you and isn't worth it to the customers. That discount means nothing. They know you get a 50% discount. Anything less than 50% doesn't mean anything to people anyway.

Welcome cloudkckr9! Send your stuff back and move on.   smiley
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2007, 10:37:25 PM »

Cloud,

You will find that when things become tough for you you MK sisters quickly disappear.  Only when there is good news and positive energy will you hear from anyone.  But, here on PLH you will get prayers, support and true caring.  The only way to get a director's attention other than buying products you don't need is to return that product!

Good luck with the packing.  You will love your blue check all the way to the bank.

Funny thing is I never really felt like I had any MK sisters. I mean I had my recruiter who I liked and spoke to once or twice a month, even when I wasn't working my business at all. She was very understanding of the fact that it was the last thing on my mind and I think it kind of hit home, because she has a daughter (even though she is only 3, LOL) so I think she pictures what if it was her years from now. She is pretty genuine, I will give her that -- hopefully becoming a director (she just got her first car and own unit) won't run that goodness out of her.

In reading on the forum I really do feel like there is a mutual respect, but also flat out honesty and no sugar coating the truth. That I can get excited about!

Hmm, director's attention or blue check -- CHECK! Helllllllo caller ID!
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2007, 10:42:38 PM »

Cloud~

Hang in there with your Mom ~ it sounds like you know what is best for you and your family.

The sooner you de-pink yourself the better ~ be glad you didn't get more in debt with it.

This is a GREAT Group of Women who will stear you in the right direction as well as support you in your decisions regarding MK and Life.  Glad you found us and I look forward to seeing you on the board.

 :hohoho:

I am just so glad and feel very fortunate that I can be home with her and help her as much as I do. I mean its such a small sacrafice compared to all the sacrafices she's made in her life for me.

You know, I keep going back and forth on whether to return the product or find an alternative way to sell it, but honestly I think sending it back is the best option -- then I can't be tempted to order just "a few more items" or junk like that. My friend who I recruited wants me to call my recruiter and tell her just how much her director cost her, but only AFTER I mail my inventory back, LOL. I feel bad for pulling her into the drama that I am going to mail back the parts of her starter kit that she won't use so she can recoup a portion of the start up fee. She's pretty happy about that smiley
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2007, 10:44:33 PM »

When the going get's tough, MK Directors IGNORE YOU!  SO, time to ignore them and do what's right for you!  Praying for your mom! 

Pack that box and SEND IT BACK!  It will be one of the happiest moments in your life!

AllSmiles --

I made the mistake of picking up the phone once for a number I didn't recognize -- you can bet I won't be making that mistake again. I have no desire to spend 30 minutes on the phone hearing how I could be successful if only I would do this, that and the other thing. To me, part of success is knowing when to QUIT!

Thank you for the prayers.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2007, 10:55:01 PM »

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She suggested that I take my products along with me to the treatment center and pamper the nurses and other patients, that I would make sales without even trying. She went on to tell me how she did the same thing for the nurses when her dad was in the hospital and how she walked out with a $200 sale without even trying.


 :gah:

Not this stupid "pamper the cancer patients/nurses bullshit again! I can't take it. These directors have some nerve. Not only is it solicitation, it's tacky beyond words.

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If I sent my inventory back I could NEVER EVER be a consultant again.


Of course, you know this is a lie, right? With a big inventory order, everyone can be a consultant again.

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I think there is a worksheet somewhere here that you can use to figure up your inventory.


Yes indeed. Here's the link: http://www.pinklighthouse.com/inventoryreturnwksheet.htm

By the way, cloudkckr9, don't, I repeat DON'T waste your time trying to sell stuff at 30% off. It's not worth it to you and isn't worth it to the customers. That discount means nothing. They know you get a 50% discount. Anything less than 50% doesn't mean anything to people anyway.

Welcome cloudkckr9! Send your stuff back and move on.   smiley


You know, the more I think about her suggestion the more offended I become. I mean not only am I there for my MOM, not to work my business, but I am there with people who have severally compromised immune systems. Chemo KILLS off your immune system -- so why the heck would I ever want to chance getting someone sick no matter how ok I feel for a couple bucks. Not to mention no matter how hard you try you can't gurantee the quality/safety of your product. I mean I try my hardest to ensure its not contaminated as it gets used, but after reading some of the stories here about consultants getting RETURNED goods in their orders, I wouldn't put ANY of this on my mom. Not a chance! And the nurses, yes they may be healthy, but they are in contact with patients all day... The possible consequences are so not worth it and I would not want even an inkling of a doubt that I caused someone to get ill and end up in the hospital. When you're undergoing chemo even the smallest things can send you to the hospital or be life threatening. COME ON! Where is her common sense?! And don't get me started on the financials -- after co-pays up the wazoo, do cancer patients really have a lot of money laying around to spend on product?! We don't!

At this point, thanks to my director mainly, I have no desire to become a consultant again. Thanks to this forum I know how to get the things I really want in the future and help out people who are in the position I am in.

I'm giving it until the New Year -- I have a flyer made up that I emailed out to several clients/friends/family. If any acts on it (there have been about 5 so far) great! If not, no skin off my nose...I should end up even after my return, with the added benefit of recouping my friend's starter kit cost. There is no way I am going to worry myself silly over boxing it up before Christmas/New Years since they won't receive it until January anyways... I signed up in June, so I have a *little* time LOL!

So glad to be here, thanks!
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2007, 09:16:04 AM »

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In reading on the forum I really do feel like there is a mutual respect, but also flat out honesty and no sugar coating the truth.

BIG TIME! I'm amazed every day at the wonderful people we have here. And you'll NEVER get any sugar coating at all. No way.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2007, 07:55:31 PM »

Hi Cloudkckr9.  We're so glad you're here.

Positive energy and prayers going out to you and your mom right now.

You are a wonderful (and smart) daughter.  I'm so glad you're there for her right now.  It matters so much.

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In reading on the forum I really do feel like there is a mutual respect, but also flat out honesty and no sugar coating the truth. That I can get excited about!

 :biggrin:  Yup!

Given everything going on in your life right now.....you really don't need the added distraction and pressure from a Director.  You've made the right decision.  Good luck with your "going out of business" sale. 

 *welcome



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