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« on: August 05, 2006, 01:34:50 PM »

Have you all read Don't Go the Cosmetics Counter without me? it's by Paula Bedoun (sp??)- honestly you may not want to read the whole thing, but it's very interesting. This lady reviews cosmetics companies skin care and color products, and puts her review in this book It is a huge book- there are 1000s of companies in it, from very expensive to very, well, not. It's an eye opener- In the back of the book, she has my favorite part, her alphabetical top pics in each category-

basically, she cuts through all of the hype, marketing, and packaging and gets down to what is good for your skin, does it work, is it worth it. She recommends some high end and some inexpensive brands, and even shows how there are really only a handful of large companies, many owned by the same company (example, loreal owns lancome and maybelline, and armani cosmetics, etc...) 

I had to read her reviews on Mary Kay, and she doesn't like most of their products, which made me laugh, though she did like some of them--

She does sell her own line of products, Paula's Choice on a website called CosmeticCop.com  which is also very interesting, and her products are really inexpensive, but I like that she doesn't just push her own products, she recommends other brands as well.

Anyway, I just looked through it, but I would like to buy this book, because I always get trapped into thinking I have to have this ingredient, or this brand, or all one brand, etc, and it is hard to know what claims are real and what is bogus, and this is a great tool. smiley

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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2006, 01:49:18 PM »

I have read her book before. In fact, I checked it out of the library before I joined MK just to see what she thought of the products. But I must tell you that I don't really like Paula Begoun (just my opinion, not that it matters.)

The edition of her book I read was just after she came out with her own line of cosmetics. Funny, in that edition she reviewed them and gave them all smileys--positive reviews. In subsequent editions, she quit reviewing her own products, but that bias was one strike against her.

From reading some of her things, I've also realized she doesn't know much about the correct way to apply makeup either. And I remember that she rated cleansers that were made, say, for oily skin and gave them a negative rating because they would be drying for dry skin. DUH!! It's an oily skin cleanser, do do.

Another thing...she looks at the list of ingredients on things and ignores the PERCENTAGE of each ingredient. For instance, a pancake and a biscuit would be the same thing to her because they both contain flour, milk and baking powder. She totally ignores the amounts of ingredients in things. Dumb.

She has made herself into an expert, but I'm not impressed.

Okay...I'm done!   >:(

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2006, 02:13:23 PM »

hmm, I kind of disagree with that. From what i read, she was talking about why a certain product might not be effective because it doesn't contain enough of a certain ingredient to be effective, etc.

I actually have been looking over her reviews of oily skin products, because I had been breaking out for the first time in my life (yuk) anyway, I like what she had to say- yes, you want a cleanser that will get rid of everything, but you don't want it to completely strip your skin - one thing I like is that she recommends using chemical exfoliants  and clay masks rather than physical scrubs- I always thought that physically scrubbing just irritated my skin and caused breakouts---
yes, she does give her own products smileys, but I think that she created her own products so of course she would like them- but I still respect that she reviews other products, and also gives many other products smiley's as well- even on her website which I just found, she says positive things about other products--
so, yes, you're right, she may have kind of made herself into an expert, but I think that's ok. Even if someone doesn't want to use her own products, a lot of the explanations and reasons behind her smiley and sad face reviews made sense to me, that's all.
For example, she recommends Neutrogena healthy skin moisturizer, which, last I knew, was one of the #1 selling moisturizers anyway,  and I like that she recommends both expensive department store products and inexpensive drugstore ones- gives you at least something to go on.

anyway- I was impressed with what I thought was an unbiased book, even if her own products are within the lists, there are many others on her list as well- I don't knowif I'll try her personal line or not, but I'll probably go with some of her recommendations and try them out, instead of buying and not having anything to go on- that's all. smiley

oh well- glad to know your opinion though, but I really liked it.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2006, 07:27:44 AM »

I have that book and love it. It mainly wanted to see what she thought of high end stuff since many makeup artists say the store brands are fine. All in the way you apply. I also have The Skin Type Solution and a Consumers Dictionary of cosmetic Ingredients. I got the last one cause Arbonne likes to jump on bad ingredients when alot of their stuff is masked with a natural sounding name. Like the Kjolic acid in the eye cream is derived from fungus!
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2006, 10:03:57 AM »

It's one thing to like a book. Another to look critically at it. I feel that's how I approached it. She sets herself up as an expert. And I do appreciate her experience. It's just that when I saw certain things that were questionable, I looked more closely.  So I'll have to stick to my original opinion. I would caution anyone to really use a little critical thinking and step back to see where the message is coming from, that's all.

She also claims that Milk of Magnesia is the best thing to put on oily skin. Fine. But not everyone wants to walk around with that on their face or get that down to basics.

I still maintain that she doesn't understand, or if she does, doesn't make it clear, that the percentage and composition of ingredients is important. That was a point that really was glaring to me.


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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2006, 10:58:14 AM »

I agree UYC...I dont look at her as an expert but she breaks some things down in relation to how a certain ingredient actually works. I like knowing why salacytic acid works for example. I do think that she is just the first makeup junkie to write a book and put all brands into one area so at least we have a jumping off point to look for...say a good mascara( still looking!)
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2006, 03:21:46 PM »

yes, I do agree with that. I was not saying I thought she was the next greatest thing, but I like how you put it Lori, it's how she just breaks things down. I like how she just explains what is and is not in some products- that's basically it. For example, explaining why, if you want a retinol product, you should fine it in an airtight, opaque container or it won't do you a bit of good, etc- just lays that all out there and then tells you which products add up, which have ingredients that will do you some good, and which just are nothing more than a fancy box and cute packaging- that is exactly why I loved the book so much. It's not that she has said anything extraordinary, just, like you say Lori, wrote it all down in a book- smiley I just didn't really see it as her trying to promote her own products, they're not that easily accessible anyway- smiley anyway- that's it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2006, 06:12:49 PM »

I agree with your last post, justpinkenough. I do agree she can educate you on specific ingredients, etc.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 09:34:59 PM »

I agree with UYC, I noticed her reviews of her own products also and felt it was biased.  I do appreciate the educational approach with the ingredients she has taken, though.  I  read her "Beauty Bible" and "Don't Go to the Cosmetics Counter...".  I can also say that now whenever I go to buy sunscreen or facial cleansing products I look for certain ingredients and buy the cheapest product to accomplish my goal. 

It makes it hard, after reading something like that, to look at expensive cosmetics the same anymore.  So, I'm still looking at other sources to educate myself.  I watch my friend buy Clinique and Lancome and just can't justify it.  She swears it works and that's great - but $65.00 for a 1.7 oz bottle of eye cream?  I just can't...
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2006, 04:04:32 PM »

I used to have Don't go to the cosmetics... but sold it earlier this year. I don't know if there was a newer edition out, but even about 5 years ago I found some of her information to be outdated. I can't remember specific examples though, just that though some of the book was useful, a lot of it was not worth it.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 08:25:47 AM »

Actualy I think she stopped writing them cause it was such alot of work to do every year. I read that in the foreward of her last one. I know what you mean about outdated. Some of the stuff isnt even available.
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 05:00:59 PM »

Yes, I just subscribed to her newsletter which is very informative- It is reviews of new products, so it's current and up to date- she has wonderful things to say about some new Estee products, and some of the GoodSkin line at Kohls, etc- so that was interesting.
One thing I have learned from reading her materials is which moisturizers have the most, good for skin ingredients, at any price range.
Plus, I've learned more about sunscreen, and which ingredients to look for to fight UVA as well as UVB, and there aren't a lot of them out there-
so anyway, if you don't want to bother w/ the whole book, her newsletter is actually good- I ordered one copy for $1 to see what it was like (it's quite substantial, and very informative and she lists her sources for information, I like that) and I think I might get more of them- I think she had an edition of the book come out in 2003- that is prob. the latest, so for new and upcoming products, the newsletter is a good pick. and it's not expensive-
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2006, 12:09:58 PM »

Sorry to bring up an old topic.  I checked all 3 of Paula Begoun's books out of the library.  I'm reading all 3 at the same time.  smiley  They are very interesting and eye opening.  I had heard of her during my MK training, but we were told how she was a crazy bitter old lady.  Now that I'm actually reading her books, I see this is not the case.  Wish I had more time to read.  LOL  Just as with anything, I'm taking her info with a grain of salt.  But I do agree with a lot of it.  I've tried so much skin care over the years.  If I had read her book 15 years ago, I think I could have saved a lot of heart ache and $$$. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2006, 12:22:39 PM »

Yeah- I know what you mean. I didn't buy the books, because they aren't new- but, I do subscribe to her newsletter from her website, and she reviews new products. Again, she gives some good ratings and some not so good- I bought the estee lauder moisturizer (I mention it in my thread on makeup favorites/finds) per her recommendation to kind of try out her system, and I like it- I also agree w/ her that the only thing bad about it is that the scent is a bit annoying sometimes- it could be a bit toned downi- but overall I'm satisfied w/ her recommendation.

I like that she recommends other products as well as, obviously, her own-- I don't think she's a crazy lady- I think she was tired of misleading claims and advertising and wanted to shed some light so people would know what ingredients to look for- whether it's a high end product or a drug store classic-- some of the drugstore products are good, but some of them are not- just like in department stores. I just like that she helps you wade through it w/o having to personally pay for and experience all of those products (though I feel like I have anyway, I'm such a cosmetics junkie)

anyway- glad someone else finds her info. useful- not the holy grail or anything, just useful. smiley
Let me know if you try any of her products or any of her recommendations-- I'd love to know your experience there as well.
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2006, 12:41:19 PM »

I do subscribe to her newsletter from her website, and she reviews new products.

I saw that and downloaded the demo copy.  Haven't read it yet.  Do you get the newsletter in your email or in the "real" mail?  I think the email was cheaper. 

I am enjoying her style of writing.
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