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« on: July 07, 2006, 04:53:55 PM »

Actually, it's much lower.

Yes, you purchase the product from MK for half of the suggested retail price.

But out of that 50% that you make, you have to pay for your expenses.

This 50% figure they throw around also assumes that you are selling the product for the suggested retail. Often this is not the case. Many times products are sold at a discount because of hostess incentives or having an overstock of certain products (usually the limited-edition that the directors push you to order before it sells out).
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 10:23:59 PM »

you are right.  Out of your 50% profit, you purchase gifts w/ purchase, those $3.50 or $4.00 a piece item you give away for a $40 purchase, meaning, a $20 profit, that w/ that one little gift, turns into just a $16 profit---oh, put samples in the bag? take away another $1 profit- the bag, the sales ticket, the time, delivery- yes, it all adds up. YOu wouldhave to sell a very large amount of products to make this business very profitable, and most people are not good sellers. Bottom line.
Most people cannot, and will not ever, be able to support themselves on a direct sales type of career, selling one product, like MK, or pampered chef, or avon, or any other direct selling company. Plain and simple. Deductions? Yes. We've got deductions, but what that means really, is that you will have lots of expenses. Expenses that you did not have before. Sure, some of the things you already have and do will become business expenses, but you will have many new expenses that cut into your profit. So, sure, you may not have to pay income taxes on your MK income, but you wont be keeping much of it to start with. Hmmm....if we would have only figured that out before we all got roped into the whole pink bubble, lured by the company principals, convinced with the facts, the 90% buyback, and oh, the tax deductions!!!
Well, I had so many deductions I can hardly stand it- I would have rather gotten a paycheck. smiley

OH well- lesson learned. To you who are still looking into this, still contemplating diq, etc---think long and hard! I'm telling you, the expenses will overwhelm you! Most jobs that require travel don't require you to pay for it all yourself. Seminar turns into such a huge deal that all of the sudden, you can't take a family vacation. Then, leadership, right after christmas, means you can't do what you want at christmas either---then director suits, trainings, workshops, prizes, PCP, oh my, the list goes on and on and on!!! smiley

anyway- enough ranting. But obviously, one of the reasons every woman starts w/ MK is to make money. We are convinced by the 50% profit. But that is just a farce. Yes- 50% off on products, but 50% profit? You'd be better off being a hostess and just getting some freebies that way- of course, know that those freebies you get would be cutting into that poor consultants profits from the class.

At least w/ some MLM companies, the hostess gifts and credit actually come from the company. At least then the consultant/representative knows how much she'll be making. Plus, if you don't have to have inventory...etc. I know a lady selling candles who actually makes a decent living, even though her profit isn't 50%. She works more than I would care to, but at least she makes money and doesn't ahve $1000s sunk into inventory, and doesn't give away $100s each week in hostess gifts- that all comes from their company-sstill, it's best to stay away from mlms in my eyes. smiley
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2006, 05:07:38 PM »

I figured out really quick that I wasn't going to be making any money at all.  My friend placed an order and by the time I had paid shipping (I didn't realize it was a flat rate no matter the size of your order) and given her a gift with purchase and everything my hour of work had netted me about three bucks. 

I didn't get into this to get rich quick.  I KNEW it would require work on my part.  I did expect it to be a little more profitable than that, though. 

I wish I was brave enough to post my name and area.  I want the dirt on my director and nsd (the meetings are in her home).  I can't really figure out what is going on rank wise in my area (or is it unit? I am totally not up on the lingo).  My director signs everything "future sales director" so I thought that meant she must be DIQ, but she wears a directors suit and drives a Vibe.  It's so funny that she is "so excited to work around family time!" but when I looked in her datebook she is booked solid.  I wonder how much time she actually spends with her kids.  I feel bad snarking on her because she does seem nice, but then I think about how she totally used scripts to manipulate me and I don't feel as bad.  I do understand that scripts are helpful in sales and I don't see anything wrong with some of them, as cheesy as they may be, but when it comes to things like telling people how beautiful they look and how glowing they are and how sharp they are. . . yuck yuck yuck. 

I have only been to a couple of meetings because the cult-like atmosphere makes my skin crawl, but after reading all the stories here I kind of want to go to some more just to see how bad it really gets.  I haven't seen anything like the skunk or the car dance or red jacket rumble I see you guys talking about.  Basically it's just been my nsd (she just qualified in July) gushing over her new caddy and suit and all of that, along with some "training."  I wanted training that would help me SELL not recruit. So far all the training has been about recruiting and it just PISSES me off because I see exactly what they are looking for and why they wanted me and how they used my home decor and personality against me. 

I was really into the idea of having my own business. I've wanted to be my own boss for years, but never had the money or know-how to start up what I really wanted to do so this seemed like a good compromise.  I can't believe just how unprofessional my nsd's unitnet site is.  I used to be a teacher a few years ago (don't worry, I didn't quit for MK) and my freshmen students could easily make a better website than my nsd.  She has a new script up today telling us to sell "lipgloss lipsticks" (uhhhh. . isn't that kind of redundant) and riddled with the word "like."  We don't live in a valley. 

Wow. I have a lot of angst I need to work through--and I was only in it for three months!  My sister wanted to sign up with me (mainly she wanted to bag that came with the starter kit) but her husband wouldn't let her join. I'm so glad!  I would have felt like such a heel if I would have rookie-dooed her into this mess.

Thanks for providing this forum and this support!  I have an online magazine for women with the theme Dreams and Nightmares coming up. I have a feeling I'll have the perfect story for that theme!  Except that I guess I haven't really been ensnared in the nightmare like so many of you have.

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2006, 10:58:51 AM »

If your director has a suit and a car, I bet she signs things future senior director, maybe?? Or, she's in diq but just bought a suit off of someone else, who knows- it doesn't really matter- good thing is, you had hesitations with all of the recruiting lingo- many of us had directors who were smooth, they knew how to get us roped in, and I actually started out just selling, w/ no intention of recruiting, so I got roped in w/o realizing what was happening- when you're selling a lot you can actually make some money, and it's fun to sell- but then when you get all into thinking about recruiting as well- it's all ruined- the fun is really gone at that point, but you keep going because the directors make it sound like if you can just recruit enough and get where they're at, you'll be having so much fun w/ the "big girls"- get to be a part of their club and know the inside scoop on everything-
well, they're right in some respects, you will know the inside scoop if you get in that suit, you'll know the inside scoop is that it is not all fun and games, and like you noticed w/ your directors ultra-packed-datebook, it is not all "family time" and work around the family, it is go-go-go and recruit, recruit, recruit, because as a director you learn quick that 's where your money comes from- that's when I had had it. I didn't want to recruit all of the time and push for inventory, I refused to do that, so I wasn't a successful director in that respect- I tried to train my unit to sell, to be professional (not pushy, not arriving at someone's house with 10 bags in tow, etc) but that didn't work- yes, I think I did give good sales training, but you can't keep production going w/ just that- unfortunately, unless you had a huuuuuuge unit of wonderful sales people, you cant keep production going on sales alone, you have to recruit and get  new orders- yuck. It all just gets so old, and boring, and I didn't want to do it.
Anyway- glad you're here. Be happy you saw the light sooner, and that something clicked for you to find this website- for some reason, when I was a consultant, I never found anything like this, I never ran accross any type of website like this, wish I would have!!!
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2006, 10:49:01 PM »

My whole thing is the 'it's only $100' line. I fell for that one. Then after that it's the shipping & tax. Then it's inventory. Then it's samples. Then it's a website. Then it's ProPay so your customers can shop. Then it's the preferred customer list. And it all costs money I haven't made yet. And they don't tell you that the website hits on random searches are all based on your purchases from MK corporate. And did I mention that I was told not to talk to potential recruits about inventory specifically because it might scare them away? No kidding. But what am I supposed to do when a friend I'm talking to about this business asks? Lie? Oh no. Hedge. Tell them that inventory is a consultant decision that is to be made after you have all the information you need to make that decision. Can I get a bull**** from the audience? It's all pressure and a false sense of urgency that convinces people they have to buy a kit NOW. They have to buy inventory NOW. Otherwise they'll miss out & life will pass them by. Whew. Didn't realize I was ~quite~ that bitter about all this. And did I mention I'm glad I found this forum?

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006, 12:36:57 PM »

So glad to see you joined up, MK!  I know exactly what you mean.  Don't forget business cards that you just have to have because heaven forbid you print your own. My sister wanted to get into it and I was still excited but after adding up the cost of everything else her husband nixed the idea. I guess I wasn't supposed to tell her all of that but how could I not?  I'm not willing to lie or hedge to anyone, much less my sister.  I think it's funny because my director is always telling me I'm a woman of my word (and she knows this how? How many times has she ever talked to me?) but I don't see how she can possibly be excited about that since being a "woman of my word" is exactly why I refuse to recruit anyone else into this tangled web.

This weekend I finally did what I should have done a long time ago and made an excel sheet with my expenses vs. my sales.  Yikes! I really must figure out how tax write-offs work. 

I'm so glad to have found this forum so I can see that I'm not alone in all this, and that I'm not a failure because I am not willing to lie to people and bug the crap out of everyone I meet.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2006, 02:12:34 PM »

marlaenag.......I sent you a PM--check it, you might not be able to respond yet, but post here so I'll know you got it!
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 08:27:23 AM »

Funny --- now that I am reading this -- I see why I made nothing.  Each year my DH would do our tax and I lost money -- I couldn't figure out why because I was selling product.  Now that I actually sit down and think about it -- I see why.  There is always something for that company to sell and you just HAVE to buy it.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2007, 01:32:57 PM »

the 50% is def a rip off.... consultants have to do everything themselves and the company helps NOT AT ALL. just to sell the product you practically have to discount it to begin with because its so expensive. I recently hosted a Lia Sophia jewelry party....they have an AWESOME hostess program I got like 700 dollars in jewelry for like 100. if this was mary kay the consultant would have lost tons of money on that party but LIA SOPHIA does the hostess program for the sellers. plus they dont have inventory. they actually get a PAYCHECK each week for the items they sell. Boy did I get into the wrong home party business.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2007, 11:52:15 PM »

you went wrong by getting in the "home party" business at all, as you referred to it. Don't be fooled-- yes, you may be able to get some good deals, and like some products in other direct selling companies, but they are also not all they're cracked up to be. Those women don't make much either---it's just a slight variation on something that has been around and around. It gets tweeked and changed depending on the type of product sold, but it's all the same. There are a couple of direct selling companies that make products I really do like better than what I can get at the average store---when I can, I buy from these women-- but it's not always possible. As much as i like these products, I've also spoken w/ them about their businesses and unless someone is working their tale off, there is just not much money. And frankly, what good is there spending yoru time trying to sell products if you're not going to make any money? So I would say to you and to anyone else reading on here---it's not just mk. There are waaaay too many women getting into direct  sales opportunities and they're backfiring all over the place. They're all basically the same---MK isn't the only bad deal on the market--promise.
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