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« on: June 18, 2008, 10:41:58 PM »

So, my wife just signed up to do MK and it's already a problem. This is going to be a bit of a ramble because I'm so frustrated right now. The other day she received a facial that she "won" in a contest. This facial was, surprise, a recruiting attempt. It worked.

Since Monday she has already gone to one meeting, received her "starter kit" and is ready to go. In high school I had a few friends who tried CutCo and know better than to fall for MLM scams. When I tried to talk to my wife about this she got upset with me. Finally I told her to go ahead and sign up, because it would be a decent hobby for her and a way to meet people. I did not realize that she was going to fall for everything so quickly. She is already regurgitating facts like "I will make 50% of my sales" and talking about seminar. She told me the other night that I just wasn't supporting her and that I shouldn't say anything about it. It's been 4 days!
Today she "couldn't" call me on her lunch break like she said she would because the girl who recruited her and a director came to her work to bring her lunch and talk to her.

The real problem here is that I am currently unemployed and have been for a while. Our marriage is already a little shaky because of that and I've been put in a place where I'm not allowed to be upset about things in our relationship until that is remedied. I have a very bad feeling that MK is going to kill our marriage. I'm just scared and incredibly worried.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 07:39:49 AM »

Voe, I wish I could tell you something to quell your fears, but I'm afraid they are valid.

And way too many women here can attest to the fact that MK put a strain on their marriage and/or they saw it with other women.

Suddenly being accused of not being supportive is CLASSIC drivel. Any questions or reasonable concerns expressed by family members are usually characterized this way.

Don't let her go to Seminar. It's a waste of money. If she wants to go, make her earn it completely by selling MK.  She'll just get further and further into the brainwashing by going anyway, which is the point.

The reason the director and the woman who recruited her brought her lunch and came to "talk" to her is because they are doing an inventory "interview" with her. They are presenting all the great reasons why she needs to buy anywhere from $600 to $4800 wholesale worth of products to sell.

I'm glad you found us. You will need the support of the great people here! 
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 10:59:27 PM »

Voe - I totally agree with UYC!  Unfortunately, you will hear the "he's not supportive" line, a lot probably. She'll also be fed the "don't be around negative people - you become like the 5 people you are around most"

They are trying to get a qualified recruit before year end, June 30, so watch the cc or there'll be an additional charge for the min $ 600 inventory to get her counted as "qualified"!  (Which, $ 600 "qualified" order plus tax on $ 1200, plus $ 8.95 shipping and tax, plus section 2 items that are a "must have", more like $ 750!) 

Oh, they will try to get her to sign up for a cc in her name and NOT tell you (if you are being "unsupportive") so you will need to sit down and discuss this with her IMMEDIATELY!  Tell her you would like to be supportive if you could discuss some items with her, help her set goals and work through weekly plan sheet with her -(MKers will want her to have goals and do weekly plan & accomplishment sheets!) Maybe you could slip in the discussion what financial amounts are available for "HER BUSINESS" - ie, inventory. 

I know the above sounds corney but MKer will feed that crap to her (set goals, weekly plan sheet) & if you discuss it first (and the amounts available for inventory) with her, maybe she'll see how "supportive" you are and not sink several thousands of dollars in inventory!

Any chance you can get you wife to look over some of the posts here?  She's probably too PINKED up.  The "earn 50%" is bull too - that's with no expenses!  By the time you pay shipping, section 2, cost of products used for show, GAS, GAS & GAS, and allow anything for your time, ...  Sick

Best of luck! 
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2008, 03:33:44 AM »

Voe, my husband could probably completely relate to you!  I was in for just 3 years and had no idea the amount of lies I was believing.  To keep from ever being blamed that she quit (crossing my fingers for you that she will) because of you, you'll have to stay mostly quiet about it.  My DH let me come to that conclusion on my own, but he was not armed with the info. here.  You could pick your wife's brain a little, ask her questions as if your interested/supportive, and bring up MK's 90% buyback option in the conversation.  That's one that "they" always lie about.  The sales directors, recruiters, NSD's, everybody lies and says that offer is only good for the 1st year you're in.  Truth is it's good ANYTIME you're still in.  MK will just reimburse you for the last year's worth of products ordered.  So, for ex., if someone called MK's repurchasing dept. today to ask how much they are eligible to send back, MK would tell them the dollar amount of everything ordered from today back to June 22, 2007.  One calander year, but good anytime during your MK "career".  It might be good for her to see that these people lie to line their own pockets - she needs to know how much commission they're making off her orders too.  She also should know - from women who've "been there, done that", that customers DO NOT mind waiting the week or week and a half for their order.  If I hadn't found this site and was still "trying to make it work", I'd cancel my delivery service despite what MK teaches consultants to do.  I'd call my customers and say "Your order is ready for pickup, I no longer do deliveries."  She needs to know that she doesn't have to do it "their way" all the way.  They call it "her business" after all, and she's not an employee but an "independent business owner".   Which really is a joke but is grounds to just do it any way that works for you and not listen to MK.  Just my few cents.

It's a sad state of affairs when you've got $5,000.00+ worth of "investment" inventory on your shelves at home and realize no matter how hard or how many ways you try to make it work, IT (not you) is broken and will not work.  You then find yourself on the phone to MK, accepting only 90% of what you paid for it, minus original shipping costs, plus the cost to ship it back to MK.  Smarter to learn from other's mistakes than to not listen and go through the same crap.  Please encourage her to nose around this site, tell her it has things her director won't tell her.  Hopefully that might entice her.  Let her know there's even a section for active consultants.  Yay for you that you're being an informed hubby!
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 08:09:22 AM »

Wow voe....I'm certain that my husband too could relate to your woes...

However....as the old saying goes "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make um drink"

Now I'm not trying to say that your wife is a horse....I'm saying, much like those that have written before me you will have to let your wife make her own mistakes to see the error of her ways! But be sure to plant seeds of doubt alone the way whilst remaining a supportive husband! (good luck with that one)

Soon she will run out of friends and family to prey on and then sales will be down and hopefully she will try to sell to strangers....this is where you realize MK is a scheme! I tried to "warm chatter" people only for them to think I was a complete freak and run the other way!

Your self esteem can only take soo much beating before you have to question if it's the MK system or you! And of course it the MK system...cause I don't think I'm a complete freak (door's wide open....guess I left it that way! oops!  :teehee:)

Either way....we know where your wife is and where that road leads.....Feel free to vent as much as you need to!
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2008, 12:32:55 PM »

I totally agree with everyone here.  I don't have anything to add except that we are here for you anytime! 
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2008, 10:47:50 PM »

Bumping this up in case Voe is lurking - just wondered how your wife is doing and if she is still fogged up ?   :gdluck:
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2008, 10:59:28 PM »

Voe, you need to put your foot down! They don't teach the words "better to ask forgiveness than permission" for nothing! By the time you get your credit card bill it will be maxed!!!!! TRUSTWHAT WE SAY!!!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2008, 12:34:44 AM »

I have to agree with everyone here, Voe.

I can't say that my husband can relate to you though. I'm not married but do have a fiance. I told him once about it and regret not talking to him more about it. I thought that if I built up a team underneath me like my director kept telling me to do, I would be able to retire early and spend my time with him in England were he lives. I went without a job for 2 months trying to get my Mary Kay business going. Oh it was going but not enough to keep the bills paid. That was this past February and March. I finally ran out of money in May and started working again much to my displeasure. I maxed out both credit cards with trying to pay bills on time and continue to do Mary Kay. I unknowingly aloud my director to plant the idea into my head that it was my fault that I wasn't making more money. And now I am paying a higher price of it all. My fiance lives in England and we were planning on getting married this year; but because of the debt I wracked up, I have put it off because I don't want to bring it into our marriage. I know that I would never be a burden to him but I still don't like knowing I pushed extra finances onto him.

I remember that, when I first started doing Mary Kay, my director told me to never tell my fiance about how bad my day went; that he doesn't want to know about all the bad things that happened. She told me that all he wants to know is that I'm happy and I will have diner ready for him after he gets off work. And stupidly I followed her directions and advice. I thought she was my friend and wanted what was best for me. I saw her as a second mother to me but I know now that I was very clearly deceived. I'm happy to say that my fiance and I are still very much in love and we are still as strong as ever but I do regret not talking to him more about this. I have never kept anything from him my entire life and when I kept this from him, it was hard. I don't think he ever thought about it much because he is in England but I know he must have felt something. He was always supportive of any choice I make and that is one thing I love about him.

I guess what I'm trying to say with all of this is just, stay supportive and have her talk to you about it. I believe that when she hears herself say how it isn't working and why it isn't working, it helps clear the pink fog a little. Plus keeping everything inside is not good for either of you. Never let her think it's her fault. Mary Kay Cos. is a destructive company that has ruined many lives. I'm glad you came here because here we are all supportive of each other and help each other out the best we can in order to get through the rough times that Mary Kay has thrown us into. We all come from different places in life but we are all friends here.

I have also always believed that love conquers all; my fiance and I believe in that very strongly but that is a different story all together. Welcome to Pink Light House Voe.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2008, 06:46:38 AM »

I'd love an update from voe too. Unfortunately he hasn't been here since he posted this.
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2008, 05:05:00 AM »

I'd love an update from voe too. Unfortunately he hasn't been here since he posted this.

Oh dear.  Hopefully he's just been busy, rather than his wife having convinced him of the far-fetched pink dreams she will be achieving.   :matoes:
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2008, 02:16:39 PM »

Just in case that he may come back and read this, I would like to say that MK was the last straw in my marriage.  It was rocky when I started MK and we finally divorce after trying to make it work.  I join MK trying to have a little more money after a hurricane hit my island but it turn out it took more money out of my finances.  I'm down to 9,000 still on my credit card.  I just hope that Voe and his wife are okay. :hugme:
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2008, 06:02:27 PM »

I hope "no news is good news"!   :rolleye:
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2008, 06:13:21 PM »

Poor, voe...I hope he and his marriage didn't succomb to "pink fever" :sick:
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