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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2006, 01:00:19 PM »


She says that to please me and save money she will not go to any meetings where she has to pay to get in.  A little progress.


That's actually huge progress for you since you have to pay to attend just about everything in MK.  The less meetings and rah-rah sessions she attends, the less contact she has with the  pinky .  Less contact equals less opportunity for them to get in her ear.  They will still contact her by email and phone but after a while that should fade away too, especially if you can get her to agree not to order anymore inventory til she's sold what she already has or has been paid in advance by her customers for items they want that she doesn't have on hand.
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2006, 05:51:09 PM »

Just guessing, but I think it's probably Mary Kay's actual cost of manufacturing these products.  Take eye shadow for example.  The consultant pays $3.25 wholesale and I'll bet it costs Mary Kay about .32 to make it.  That's probably why any commissions made off the consultant's order are charged back if she returns product.  Mary Kay is totally covered.  They don't lose one cent. >:(
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2006, 10:02:21 PM »

A little update.  The wife went to her recruiter's house last night to congragulate her on the Pontiac Grand Prix she just won the use of (she missed the "look at what I won" congratulatory celebration) they'd asked her to attend.  I take it that she wasn't too impressed with this woman though she won't say why.  An observation she mentioned though, a picture of Ronald Reagan on the wall (the guy who had more convictions in his administration than any other President in history).  Hmmm.

She says that to please me and save money she will not go to any meetings where she has to pay to get in.  A little progress.

This morning she brought the subject up, she says it will be fun.  I told her that if she's determined to do this that she should limit herself to selling the stuff and not get into recruiting.  She doesn't need to make her money by losing her sense of ethics and victimizing other women.  What's she going to do when they start calling her wanting their money back?  I told her that this 90% return policy only shows that Mary Kay is aware of the high failure rate among it's sellers.  Otherwise, were they confident that their product would sell they'd give you a 100% money back guarantee if you don't sell it like other companies.  The 90% thing only shows that they want a guaranteed cut of what they are fairly confident will be coming back.  What a scam.  I wonder what percentage of the $1,000,000,000 annual income they make are from this 10% policy?

Something you should know about the 90% buyback - it is required for MK to be a part of the 'Direct Selling Association' DSA of which it was a founding member.
You need to know how it works, too.  The 90% only applies to the wholesale value - NOT the sales taxes you spent.  You need to find out if the $4200 was before or after sales tax.  Also, shipping (a whopping $8.35) is not refunded, but you would have to PAY to ship it back (lots and lots of $) so in reality, you are out way more than $420 the next day if you send it back.  AND you only have 12 months from that first order to make that return.

It is scary how similar our stories are.  My MK credit card has a balance of $4200 right now.  I estimate, even with returning inventory, that it will take about 2 years at my part time job to pay it all off.  But, it is coming off faster with my part time job than it ever did doing MK the 'right way...'

BE CAREFUL - I am surprised no one has mentioned this yet - but A LOT of  Kaybot brainwash their people into thinking that their husbands are just bringing them down and against their business because they don't want them being 'independent women.' You ought to go watch that pink movie that is linked in another thread - I bet it will make you cringe!  Also, if anyone doubts their MK dream they are taught that this person is to not to be taken seriously... But I am warning you... couples have gotten DIVORCED over MK!  I pray that this doesn't happen to your marriage.

If you are concerned, then I suggest that (in a very neutral and/or positive way) encourage your wife to set a date and a business goal (related to SALES not RECRUITING) and if it isn't met, then the products get returned.  I made that deal with my husband... and already they are getting shipped back before that agreed upon time.  I am still several thousand short on my debt from my orders, however.  Funny how that works...
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2006, 10:44:33 PM »

Hi! I just wanted to give you some hope.  I was in MK for 7 years and just signed back up again last year.  I told my husband that I needed his support and that I was going to become a director and save our family financially.  Well needless to say I caused more financial problems than I saved.  Over my 7 years of MK about $10,000 of it went into inventory and I didn't turn much of a profit.  My husband started looking online for MK stories and found this site among others.  He brought all the information to me just like you are doing with your wife, and I was getting mad at him too.  I have heard the same "lines" that your wife is being told over and over again for 7 years that I believed so much in this company and that I could make so much money.  I never felt comfortable about telling people to spend thousands on inventory, but I knew that this is what made me money so I did it.  I went into DIQ twice and failed.  I think God was protecting our family from that financial burden.

 Well he started to back off and just give me some space and time, all the while he prayed daily for me to see through this scam.  I soon began to read stories of consultants and slowly started to see the true picture.  But it wasn't until I started reading about directors that had quit and what they went through and saw to save their production level, to keep a car, or keep their director status.  That really opened my eyes to what MK was all about.  It is about loading women up with a huge inventory so that the director can make her quotas and earn her next position, all while making her unit go into debt.  It is horrible and I knew right then that I did not want to be a director. 

It took me several months to see through all of the lies that I had been told through my director and national.  I felt guilty about leaving and loosing all of my "close girlfriends", and not one of them has called me and asked how I'm doing either. I felt like a failure.  That is when I joined several of these sites and started talking to other women just like me, who had gone through, and felt exactly what I was feeling.  This is my support group and my help through the hardest journey in my life.  Giving up MK was not easy after so long, but I finally decided that it was the best thing for our family.  I sent all of my product back to the company and got a nice "love check" from the company.  I have never felt better in my life.  Just to know that I can watch TV or play with my kids and not feel guilty about not making phone calls or holding a class.  I am a nicer, calmer, and well rested person again.

I know this is long but I say all of this to give you hope.  Just be patient with your wife.  Love her, support her, and you be that source of motivation and self-esteem boost that she needs.  MK directors know the buttons to push to motivate women.  I will be praying for you and your wife because this is hard to get out of with out a lot of emotions running. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2006, 10:51:49 PM »

Wow Becca!

Welcome!  wave

We are gald you found us. Thank you so much for encouraging Chaparral, I know is so hard to go through all those emotions...

Seat back, relax and Join us in the different discussions we have.... 

So glad you are out of that  Bubble

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2006, 11:59:48 PM »

I agree, WOW Becca!  Thanks for sharing that...  Here's some karma  Love for you!

I know how you feel -- we do have a true community here and at MK Sucks!   Cheers Cheers

And I also have not heard from any of my MK friends since I stopped going to meetings -- not a peep...  Hmmm...  So much for the love there, huh?   pieface
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2006, 01:10:28 AM »

"Most of my clients got involved with Kinkade because it was presented as a religious opportunity," Yatooma said in a phone interview. "Being defrauded is awful enough, but doing it in the name of God is really despicable." http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/092006/09212006/220020  Sound familiar?

Thanks to those offering helpful advice.

I wrote up a sort of contract for my wife to sign.  She hasn't yet.  But here it is.

1. Buy no more inventory until you've earned at least 50% more than you paid for the stuff.

2. Go to no meetings you have to pay to attend and limit the others so as not to take away from your family.

3. Do no recruiting.  Limit your earnings to selling product only.

4. Don't spend long times on the phone, and especially not at dinnertime which is family time.

5. Don't be pressured into partaking in religious ceremonies.  They have no place in business and besides we are not religious.

6. Wear what you want (she likes dress pants)  Don't let someone else who is not a part of your family act like your mommie.

7.At the end of one year if you are not doing well you will quit and return the merchandise.

I like PonderingPinkAgain's idea of setting a goal and if that is not met to quit.

It's frustating because sometimes she just seems to think backwards - like refusing to consider the warnings of those who have been there.  Even the FTC warns against scams in an article sounding very much like they had MK in mind (see above).  But I think that she thinks that all these testamonials are women who just are mad because they didn't have what it takes to see it through.  She says that I'm taking away her enthusiasm and trying to fill her head with doubts.  I told her that if you bought a product that came with warnings would you refuse to read the warnings because you don't want to hear all that negativity???

I worry that she will make "friends" with these people then will be unable emotionally to leave when the time comes, since cults tell their people to shun those apostates who dare to question or leave.  I guess it wouldn't be so bad if we were independantly wealthy, but right now we are having a bit of a financial strain, and I don't see this helping. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2006, 04:15:30 PM »

Okay so my wife (I'm not mentioning her name because I don't want her to be tracked down) after reading MK literature called MK headquarters today to ask how often she has to order.  They told her that she has to order at least $200.00 of product every three months to keep the wholesale price.  She told them that she just made a huge order, they said told her it doesn't make any difference.  Then her recruiter, who is a director called to tell her that the stuff has arrived.  She asked her.  The director sort of hemmed and hawed then told her that she doesn't have to order more for a year to keep the wholesale price.  I told her that maybe the director is lying just to smooth over a potential situation for the moment.  I also told her that she should just try to sell the crap then quit and be done with it (but not in those words).
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2006, 05:31:44 PM »

As sadsadworld pointed out in another post:

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Actually, you could order 200 every 11 months and get the 50% discount, you just have to order 200, no less. As long as you are still in their system as a consultant (and you are kicked out after 11 mos) then you can place a 200 order. Your first three months are A1, A2, A3. Then you are inactive, I1, I2, I3. Then you are Terminated, T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, and gone.....just want to make sure people coming to this site are getting honest information. You have to order every third month to stay active, but not to stay a personal use consultant.

This is a very important point. Hope that helps.

 
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2006, 06:14:10 PM »

Thanks, will pass that along.   hmmm
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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2006, 10:11:19 PM »

Then her recruiter, who is a director called to tell her that the stuff has arrived.

Wait a minute - your wife did a $4200 and it shipped to her director?  That's fishy...
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2006, 12:35:23 AM »

Question:  according to the quote, "As long as you are still in their system as a consultant (and you are kicked out after 11 mos)" does this mean that you actually only have 11 months in which to return the stuff, not 12?

About the stuff being sent to the director's house, nothing fishy there at least, living in the rurals we don't get mail to the house so she asked the director if she could have it shipped there this one time.  Though I neither like nor trust this woman I've asked my wife to make a careful check of the inventory to make sure it's all there.

A last note:  $4200.00 worth of makeup only comes to 9 roughly 1ft x 1ft x 1 1/2ft square boxes???
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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2006, 07:43:37 AM »

Question:  according to the quote, "As long as you are still in their system as a consultant (and you are kicked out after 11 mos)" does this mean that you actually only have 11 months in which to return the stuff, not 12?
I think it is the end of the anniversary month - so if she signed in September she has until September 30, 2007 to place an order.  I am not sure about the return, I think that is 365 days from the order date to return the products.
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About the stuff being sent to the director's house, nothing fishy there at least, living in the rurals we don't get mail to the house so she asked the director if she could have it shipped there this one time.  Though I neither like nor trust this woman I've asked my wife to make a careful check of the inventory to make sure it's all there.

A last note:  $4200.00 worth of makeup only comes to 9 roughly 1ft x 1ft x 1 1/2ft square boxes???
Yes, if your wife purchased a lot of color cosmetics (blush, eye shadow, lipstick, lipgloss) then that would make sense.
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2006, 05:01:14 PM »

Chapparal,
She can return whatever dollar amount she has purchased in the last *rolling* 12 months.  Many directors say that it is within the first year but that is not correct.
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2006, 09:48:40 PM »

I've changed the contract a bit (you can do that when it's not really legit  blushing ).  Now the first one reads

"Buy no more inventory until you are near the end of your existing inventory.  If you are making a good enough profit to justify your time and effort then order the $200.00 minimum to continue getting the 50% discount.  Keep no more than the minimum inventory on hand.  All subsequent orders from customers are paid in advance"  I took justme's advice on the paid in advance thing.

To the second I've added "

At least half of your availiable (non her primary job) time will be family time that will not be imposed upon."

Still got to get her sign it though.

justme, what do you mean about by "rolling 12 months"?

She can return whatever dollar amount she has purchased in the last *rolling* 12 months

PonderingPinkAgain said: so if she signed in September she has until September 30, 2007 to place an order.  That seems to contradict the 11 month thing though.
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