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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2008, 11:38:37 AM »

RTP check out this link  Kay Redfield Jamison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dr. Jamison is a Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University, she wrote a book called Manic Depressive Illness By Jamison/Goodman I bought that book when my ex husband first got sick and it was my bible for years. Dr. Jamison might be interested in chatting with you, you never know!

RTP, it sounds like you need to keep shopping for doctors! Did you find out that your daughter needs blood screens every 3 months?

I feel for you!  :hearts
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2008, 11:40:21 AM »

Dang it, O.K. try this link! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Redfield_Jamison
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2008, 01:21:21 PM »

rethinkingpink,

I don't know how to do the "quote" correctly but - when you said other parents haven't lived with the situation --  :amen:

I've heard so much of that crap that now when it's spewed at me, I just smile and ask when they'd like to watch my son?  I'll bring him -- without his meds of course!  That shuts em up! 
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2008, 08:46:52 PM »

Once again you amaze me RTP....your strength and absolute resolution to continue to fight for your daughter to get the best treatment is beautiful! She's very fortunate to have you as a Mom!

I wish I knew more about this, I don't have much to add...from a knowledge point of view!

I lived many years with a brother that most likely has an undiagnosed chemical imbalance....it's frustrating to watch...and my Mother has beat herself up about the choices she made trying to do her best to raise him....but those were different times....mental health was a very taboo topic! And Lipstick....my brother too self medicates with cocaine......~sigh~
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2008, 06:37:42 AM »

Well, since I shared all this, I should probably not just leave you all wondering or worrying.  Since my last post in this thread, my DD has been diagnosed, undoubtedly, with bipolar disorder.  I've learned alot about it, well, more than I knew before anyhow.  I know there's oceans of knowledge more out there.  It can often be misdiagnosed as a group of other things, esp. in children.  She's had the same stuff going on like forever - it's pretty much escalated since birth, but esp. after age 3.  It's not like we just ran into some pre-adolescent bad attitudes all of a sudden and want to "fix" her or anything.  The signs were there from the beginning, I just didn't know what they were.  I thought she was just especially challenging, to make a gross understatement, and that I was just a young inexperienced mom.  Turns out I was trying to parent a child with an undiagnosed mental health disorder.  No wonder life was hard for all of us.
Her counselor weened her off the Lithium and Wellbutrin and raised the levels of Triliptal and Seroquel to their "effective" levels.  Once they did that, it was like night and day - the change in her.  It was like I got my baby girl back, as if there had been like a 10-year gap of hell in between holding her as a baby and now.  I was absolutely stunned at the change.  She was able to control her outbursts, her mood swings, all of it for a MONTH straight.  I kept "walking on eggshells", wondering when it would all go back to what we knew as normal.  But she kept showing me she was better on this mix of meds.  Since she was calmer, rational, and able to be reasoned with, her counselor was able to quickly move to the very deep, painful issues that she really needed to face.  She has made miles of progress and amazed everyone.  She is not medicated to where she's not "herself", she still has her pre-teen hormonal attitude quirks, but I prefer her to be as much herself as she can.  After that first month, she had a week that was like the really bad stuff returning.  But then it faded, and now we only see glimpses of that.  So...  hopefully that was just things leveling out?
Anyhow, life is by no means "simple" but it is much easier and more pleasant.  I'm still cautious with the supervision stuff, but other than that things are pretty normal, in a good normal way, not our old normal, lol.  I guess that's a pretty subjective word.  Thanks everyone for the kind, uplifting words during the hard times.  Going back and reading it was really touching, and I leaned on that encouragement.   :ty:
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2008, 08:49:55 AM »

 :hearts   WWIT, I'm so glad to hear that things have changed so  much for the better and I pray that this is the end of those frustrating times for your DD and your entire family!  You have certainly been a good, patient, persistent and loving Mom, now all of that persistence has paid off. 
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 10:57:06 PM »

RTP that is so cool that they found meds that work! A word of caution though, she may cycle as the seasons change and need adjustments with her medication, but if you catch it right away it's a lot easier to adjust.

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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2008, 09:38:41 AM »

I am thrilled to hear that you and your daughter are having so much success! And that you daughter is happier.....that just must bring you close to tears...or actual tears....I almost cried reading your happy post!

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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2008, 12:06:54 PM »

Oh goodness, I'm so sorry you and your family have had to deal with such a hard time!!! I'm so glad things are starting to turn around for her. What a scary time. Is your daughter working out or doing something she is really passionate about? For me, running has really helped with anxiety and depression... since I have been sick, I haven't been able to run since March and that drives me crazy. There are also a lot of holistic remedies that can work too, if it's something your daughter would like to explore in time. Acupuncture and yoga have helped a lot of people as well. Good luck to you and your daughter and family - she and you all can do this!

Much love and prayers going to you and your family - Erin
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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2008, 03:34:22 AM »

that just must bring you close to tears...or actual tears....I almost cried reading your happy post!

It did!  When I realized finally that things had really changed and it wasn't just a fluke, or temporary, ya I was bawling.  There was a show on PBS called "The Medicated Child" and it showed a Dr. at Stanford who's identified with brain scans the physical differences in a bipolar person's brain vs. non-bipolar.  Bipolar carries very distinct neurophysical characteristics that they are finding with the help of MRI and other technology.  There is a small section in the very center of the brain, sort of down low (I wish I could remember the name of it), but it's smaller and recieves much less blood flow in a bipolar person.  Dr.'s have been able to monitor this over time in bipolar children and have found that these characteristics aren't so bad when they're young, but by the time they hit 12 the changes in the brain have gotten much worse, and then by age 25 it's about as bad as it's going to get.  They've also found that beginning medication and controlling the bipolarism at a younger age actually prevents and in some cases halts the furthering of the neurophysical disorder.  The scans and that sort of technology being used for this is not mainstream and is not offered for bipolar disorder.  This was a study they were running.  There was another Dr. in Connecticut that was doing the same thing and found the same results.  Hopefully it will become more mainstream and prevent misdiagnoses too. 

I am all for using as little (or better, none) synthetic medications as possible, and would love it if this could truly be controlled with some tweek in her diet or accupuncture or massage, etc.  I am very into doing things as naturally and organically as possible.  I wonder what naturally-occuring substance the pharmaceutical co.'s derive Triliptal and Seroquel from?  We were told that she needed to go to an out of state (b/c there wasn't one here that could address her needs) treatment facility and I held out for 9 months trying to give outpatient therapy more of a chance.  What made me change my mind was when I could no longer go to sleep in my own home w/ my DD here for fear of people's safety.  DH and I had to sleep in shifts to make sure she hadn't hurt herself or anyone else.  No kidding.  Now that we've found something that enables her to live life happily and be part of the family, I'm not inclined to trade that in for natural or organic feel-better things.  If ever there is anything out there that really is an organic or more natural substitute for what we're doing, and it actually works, I'll welcome it with open arms.  But I've got a DD w/ a new lease on life who needs to repair relationships w/ family and form new ways of thinking/living, and I can't mess around and waste time experimenting on her.  I've got 2 other younger children who were very badly hurt by her during those hard years, so I don't want to take chances.  Maybe if things continue to get even better (knock on wood), I will implement some of those kinds of things and see if reducing her med levels a bit would be OK.  She already does some yoga and is pretty active, and has hobbies and interests she's passionate about.  But, I don't think at this point they have an organic sub. for those particular meds.

The idea that if she'd been diagnosed and started meds by age 6 or 7, that it could've kept it from getting worse blows my mind.  I did try taking her for help when she was younger, a few times, and none of those people helped in the least.  In fact, one of them didn't believe the things I'd describe and I realized I was going to have to set up a video camera in our home to get her to listen.  Blows my mind that it could've been stopped or lessened back then, that the progression could have been stopped anyhow.  I hope so much that they implement the new findings ASAP for other young people and their families suffering with this.  Anyhow, I've kind of skimmed over what we went through for all those years, but let me tell you, it was B.A.D.  So yes, I cried a river of relief and joy when I realized things really were better!   :yays:
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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2008, 02:36:12 PM »

RTP - I am so thankful they have finally gotten something worked out so she can be more of herself!  I know my child was SO much more "peaceful" (in all possible ways) after the meds were 'corrected'.

I know how hard it was for several years with my child and after getting meds, like WOW - why didn't we do this years ago?  We were on 3 meds, at 1 point - Triliptal was one of them, but have been able to cut back to only 1 behavior   med now !  Hopefully that is of some comfort and may be possible for her as well?

Best wishes for an un-eventful, relaxing summer (well, with kids - as much as is possible)   :teehee:!  ENJOY the good times!
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2008, 03:45:54 PM »

RTP, I am thrilled for you! (tears welling up, through a big smile)! Such a wonderful feeling of hope to know that you are actually now making a difference for your daughter without feeling helpless!

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