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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2007, 01:58:11 PM »

It is always nice to hear different points of view, especially from a man in a predominantly female world.  Here lies the problem.  I don't think it is possible for a man to understand the Mary Kay "world".  It is not possible for a man & a woman to have a debate about a "business", especially not Mary Kay.  There is so much more to Mary Kay than the numbers, especially for a woman.  We are always going to look at things differently than men.  Women have gut feelings, emotions & sympathy/empathy for others (not saying men don't have these things, but we run on them, men don't).  When we enter the Mary Kay world it is nearly-impossible to not let things effect our mental out look, our sense of self, our self esteem, etc.  Mary Kay has a way of playing into the WOMAN.  It is really genius.  Mary Kay was a genius. 
Pinknight- what you are seeing & reporting is probably far from what your wife is feeling.  There's that word again.  I know from my experience in the pink bubble & from talking to litterally 100's if not thousands of other Mary Kay consultants, directors & NSD's that there are those nagging questions, those little things that make us feel just the slight bit uncomfortable, the intuitions we have as women that we usually listen to, but in the pink world we are taught to work through those "negative" thoughts & feelings because they are getting in between us & success.  Well, not only are those little "voices" or "feelings" coming from our "womanly" intuition, they are coming from God.  Are we going to ignore Him too? 
Sure we can argue over the numbers, we can state facts, but you can't come to a "conclusion" about this company unless you have lived through the experience as a WOMAN.  I'm sorry it's just impossible & frankly kind of pompous to think you can. 
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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2007, 05:40:21 PM »

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That's why your recruits only "count" if you're in the 4-month frenzy of DIQ.

One's recruits always count as far as moving them up. It's the recruits of your recruits that count toward your unit when you are in DIQ. That's what women don't want to lose and why they work their tails off. If you don't complete DIQ, those recruits of your personal recruits go back into your director's unit.

Evaluating Mary Kay, the company and business, without considering the emotional manipulation that goes on in it is like ignoring 90% of what is going on. It is CRUCIAL to the survival of the entire scheme. It plays on emotions and the hopes and dreams of women. That's why, when you step back and get away from the "rah rah" and brainwashing, you shake your head because you can't believe you did the things that you did. But you were under the influence of some serious manipulation, similar to a cult.

Those in MK who are always telling ex-consultants or other critics of Mary Kay that "no one made you order inventory" and such are absolutely naive. The entire business model of Mary Kay teaches people how to recruit and teaches women then how to do "inventory interviews" which are simply more emotional games to get you to think that the best decision is to order $1800 + worth of products.

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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2007, 08:16:53 PM »

yeah whoops! I knew that but I was in a hurry. Sometimes I just forget the details when making a point. lol  But that's one of the big problems with trying to make it to Director slowly. If you don't make it through DIQ too, then you "lose" all of your recruits' recruits, right?

yeah ok, I don't care enough anymore to get it all straight. I'll let the former directors do that.  :teehee:
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2007, 08:50:43 AM »

The problem with trying to make it to director slowly, or really, making it to any point in the Mary Kay chain, is the drop off rate.

People come and go so fast that if you move slowly, you can never build up enough active people. You have to move fast before people quit or go inactive.

Directors were always telling us not to take 4 months to finish DIQ and they were right. It's simple math. Consultants are active the month they place their first order and the following 2 months. So you can count on three months of activity. Getting into the 4th months, you're struggling to get some of those recruits active again.
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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2007, 02:32:33 PM »

Please accept my apologies for not responding lately.  I have fallen "under the weather" as they say.

I do appreciate the warm welcome I have received and hope to get back to all of you when things return to a more normal state of being.

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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2007, 05:20:32 PM »

I just want to say...for what its worth...that I think its really great that people of differing opinions can come on this board and disagree, but still be civil and polite to each other. Kudos to LJ and all the moderators for setting such a great example. I'm looking forward to more thought provoking discussions next year!  :nyparty:  :partee:

Also, glad you're here Pinknight, and hope you feel better soon!
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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2007, 08:47:44 PM »

I agree!  I love that we can all talk about our experiences in MK.  It's such a wide range of experiences! 

And, I agree that we hope you feel better soon Pinknight!
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2008, 12:37:41 PM »

When people aren't doing things the 'right' way, everyone is a victim except the person collecting money on top.  New consultants are led into debt, and those doing things the 'right way' suffer as well.  Those trying to do it the 'right way' have to battle public image tainted by those doing it the wrong way... plus they have customers stolen, and real potential workers.  The competition is unfair when you put someone trying to do things right and someone trying to do things wrong.  There shouldn't be any competition among consultants, but there is.  It's just a reality.

I personally belive that any company should be responsible, and be held responsible, by and for consultants/agents who are not doing it the 'right' way.

This could never happen, because of the fundamental set up of the company.  No MLM is going to take responsibility for the poor actions of an 'independent contractor'... because that would create expense on the part of the company. There would be a burden of responsibility on their part to actually train their consultants, and hold them accountable for their actions.  This is exactly why they ARE independent contractors, so that the company doesn't HAVE to be responsible for their individual actions.

Therefore, 'direct selling' companies could not exist without those doing it 'the wrong way...' because the only way to get rid of them, or keep them in check, would mess up the 'system.'  It would cost too much to have an official system of enforcing integrity among consultants.

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